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Sunday School April 26th 2026

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  • #60650
    Strega
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    Enco, Jake…. I’ve spent thirty minutes deciding how to choose a small window into profundity. I’ve landed on a Māori experience.

    Each tribe has its own “marae” which is their sacred community building where they attain a sense of ‘belonging’. It is prohibited for non-tribe members.  I was adopted as sister, and embraced into the shared flow of emotional bonds.

    The sleeping room for the marae was a very large room (like a church hall) with stages raised along the sides and the back. At the back there were three tall stacks of mattresses, about an inch thick, on the stage.

    You remove your shoes to enter the room so as not to bring the outdoor spirits inside. You take a mattress, and put it on a side stage longways, so your feet would be pointed at the centre, head to the side wall. You put your belongings on the floor in front of your bit of the stage with your mattress.  There are around fifty to sixty mattresses that end up side to side on the platforms. People come in during the late evening and add to the sleeping humanity. Little children wiggle in between sleepers, to cuddle into the warmth.

    Then the snoring begins.  Deep steady snoring, from multiple men (and possibly women). The snoring is like a single steady motor sound, with every snorer on different rhythms. It penetrates your bones, and generates an incredible vibration.

    Here’s the life-changing aspect:-  That deep sound makes you feel safe at a primal level. You belong utterly, you’re sharing your existence, and the sheer masculinity of the sound reaches your primal mind, making you feel the safety and security of the communal protection to a depth that you’ve never felt before.  And lastly, you become aware that you’ve always carried a small pocket of fear somewhere in your mind – and for just this while, it’s eliminated – almost how you’d imagine womb-security might feel.

    So now I know that in our civilised lives, we carry an element of primal fear deep down. I know what it feels like to carry that fear, and I know what it feels like to have that fear lifted and removed.  And that we all carry it, and most of us don’t even know.

    #60651

    Strega, I will meet up with you in a hour or two…..

    #60652
    Strega
    Moderator

    Reg, one of these days that’ll be a reality 🙂

    #60655
    Strega
    Moderator

    @regthefronkeyfarmer Apparently I’m no longer a moderator (!) so you’re on your own if anything gets rowdy 🤣

    #60656
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Strega:

    I hate to be a buzz-harsher, but that snoring you heard could be a sign of potentially deadly sleep apnea.

    I hope the Maori of today are not so isolated from medical modernity that they don’t see a Physician about that.

    #60657
    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    Enco: the buzz is now snoring.

    #60658
    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    @strega – that’s a fantastic story.  The thing about pre-industrial people is their strong community ethos.  It shows how good it is for us.

    #60660

    @regthefronkeyfarmer Apparently I’m no longer a moderator (!) so you’re on your own if anything gets rowdy

    Bring it on if you have a god on your side!! 🙂

    Seriously Strega, that is not good enough. You will always be more that a participant to us all !!! I am making protest signs. We need more god mods!!

    #60661
    Strega
    Moderator

    Enco, there was one day when the boys decided to drive into town (there are no actual roads to the marae, you just drive over scrubby sandy bumps till you get to a road) to get Fish & Chips and sliced white bread. The fish was covered in thick batter so I opened one up and ate the white meat inside the batter case. One of the boys eyes lit up, he grabbed the empty batter casing and slapped it between two slices of bread.  “You’ve left the best bit!” he exclaimed, walking off with the cardiac menacing sandwich he’d made.

    I think the top killer for the tribe is heart attacks or heart disease, closely followed by untreated diabetes. Sleep apnea would be a long way down that list.

    #60662
    Strega
    Moderator

    @regthefronkeyfarmer Oh well, now I’m de-modded maybe @unseen will talk to me again 😜

    #60663
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Strega,

    I think the top killer for the tribe is heart attacks or heart disease, closely followed by untreated diabetes. Sleep apnea would be a long way down that list.

    They are all interrelated and even reinforcing. Obstructed sleep affects the brain which also affects heart and pancreas gland functioning. It also affects strength to exercise which makes these conditions worse. All of a single piece. And from your description of Maori isolation from the larger community, Maori health sounds dismal.

    #60664
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Simon,

    A very quick-witted reply.

    #60699
    Unseen
    Participant

    Yes, chimpanzees exhibit culture, defined as behaviors that are socially transmitted rather than genetically inherited or caused solely by ecological factors.

    Don’t honeybees tell each other (reporting information) where to find newly-discovered nectar-hunting grounds, which then send other bees (behavior) to exploit them?

    Whale pods have cultures. Orcas, for example, can become specialized. Some pods kill whales, some seals, and some sharks. No one believes this behavior is inherited but rather is learned from watching the behavior of their elders and munching on the results of the hunts.

    #60703
    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    Don’t honeybees tell each other (reporting information) where to find newly-discovered nectar-hunting grounds, which then send other bees (behavior) to exploit them?

    Apparently, when a bee goes to a flower, it leaves sweaty footprints on the petals.  Another bee can come along and smell the footprints and determine how long ago the flower was last visited.

    The flower has an electric field around it, going from the top to the bottom of the plant.  When it’s visited by a pollinator, this distorts the electric field for a while, and another pollinator can sense the electric field and again tell how long ago the flower was last visited.

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