Sunday School

[jakelafortParticipant]

Simon there is one major exception to the vulnerability and feeling unsafe as a result of a political statement. Jews. It is not only tolerated it is deriguer to make Jews feel unsafe and unwanted.

54 percent of Americans are dead nuts certain of God. Yeah there is hope for us.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake:

Ackshually, it’s de rigueur, as Count De Monet would correctly say, though being from the Pre-Enlightenment, De Monet would agree with that sentiment on Jews:

[jakelafortParticipant]

Enco,

De rigueur has many spellings and most of em aint propuh including my de rigor stopper.

Don’t give ALL enlightenment figs too much credit for being divorced from their contemporary biases. Diderot for instance was a Jew hater. Voltaire not much more enlightened in that manner.

Keep in mind that it is ultra important that criticism of Israel is unobstructed. Meanwhile criticism of Islam is ill fated and weighted against hurting feelings of the believers and their sympathizers.

Viva la fucking revolution Iran. It was always too much to ask of lefties to see Islam as a wellspring of oppression as long as there were Jews alive and kicking. Maybe they would have been able to see through the few ‘thinkers’ who attribute all of the world’s evils to White colonizers if only the Germans had gotten their wish.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake:

Don’t give ALL enlightenment figs too much credit for being divorced from their contemporary biases. Diderot for instance was a Jew hater. Voltaire not much more enlightened in that manner.

I knew Voltaire harbored some Antisemitic views, but not Diderot. From what I read in the article below the French evidently placed higher value on Fraternité than on Liberté and Egalité:

Left’s Jew-hate sown in French Revolution
Nineteenth-century liberalism made possible the modernisation of Jewish life, but also led to the rise of antisemitism, writes David Aberbach
https://www.thejc.com/opinion/lefts-jew-hate-sown-in-french-revolution-iijdtmlt

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake:

I would disagree with Auerbach’s statement that Classical Liberalism led to Antisemitism in France or anywhere else.

Rather, pre-existing Antisemitism shape-shifted to adapt to the new cultural milieu. The platform switched from the Church to mass media and Academia. The rationale switched from Theological irrationality to Pseudoscientific irrationality.

It is also noteworthy that while Antisemitism existed across the pond in the newly founded U.S., it was limited enough that most Jews favored the Patriots in the Revolution and favored the Secular U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

• This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Addendum

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

The rationale switched from Theological irrationality to Pseudoscientific irrationality.

Yes, that is a good point and a good distinction. I agree that Classical liberalism did not generate antisemitism. It was probably a 1,000 years too late for that. Classical liberalism attacked the fusion of church and state and religious privilege or legal discrimination in society. Antisemitism was already deeply entrenched. What happened (imo) is that it replaced the hostility towards “Judaism” with hostility towards “Jewish people”. The pseudoscience provided it with a sort of secular mask and dressed itself up in bs biology and anthropology. It tried to mask ‘prejudice’ with ‘science’, which to the religious masses is far more seductive than overt religious hostility. Liberalism and antisemitism are philosophical enemies.

Maybe we could argue that the successes of Liberalism in removing legal barriers that had prevented Jewish participation forced antisemitism to abandon its religious language and invent racial language. Liberalism exposed the bankruptcy of religious antisemitism, and the gap was filled by plain bigotry.

PS, from an earlier comment on Diderot, I must confess to being an admirer of his work and his intellect. He is a giant of intellectual history and was a strong critic of religious authority and even a promoter of human reason. But I was totally unaware (not sure why) of his antisemitism. Of course, this did not arise from classical liberalism but was an inherited cultural prejudice, packaged inside a secular intellectual environment.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Enco,

Who is Auerbach? You are not talking about Red are ya? The all time great basketball coach of the Boston Celtics who would light a stogie during game when the issue was decided or a foregone conclusion. Would also take out his buddies weekly to his favorite Chinese restaurant where he held court and entertained his guests.

I doubt that is the Auerbach. No doubt in my mind classical liberalism did not generate Jew hatred. It was supposed to be the antidote to all kinds of awful shit but that ship has sailed.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Pope,

I like how that guy in the vid rhymes Trump and chump.

It is also kind of amusing he sees Trump as the most imbecilic and narcissistic and yet he says he is gonna die soon and have to answer to his maker. hahaha

Ya know it has occurred to me over and over that not one reporter who questions Trump has the gumption to ask him to justify his framing of almost every issue through the narcisstic lens of Trump. How is it that the president of the USA subordinates the interests of the people he is representing as the ultimate public servant to his own interests? Something along those lines. Not saying i would have the gumption to ask… He just ripped a CNN lady a new one. Nasty nasty guy.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

ask him to justify his framing of almost every issue through the narcisstic lens of Trump. How is it that the president of the USA subordinates the interests of the people he is representing as the ultimate public servant to his own interests?

If you did that, he would ruin you, and possibly have you shot, lol.  Is anyone still in doubt that he’s a fascist?

[jakelafortParticipant]

Here Pope.

Your query is so very…

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