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Thanks Clearsky, that’s a really interesting article. I’m in agreement with Bayle, that the God explanation for morality lines up with the natural explanation. But I think it’s the Bible that complicates and confuses vital matters such as LGBT rights.

Because so many of it have it in your mind that the whole reason to be good is from fear of punishment or not getting rewards. This is, viewed through all non totalitarian morality or spoon-fed-morality…and extremely non-constructive if not toxic way at looking at morality and decision making.

However if a good christian who is baffled why atheists would bother about being good, themselves reflect on most of what they do, they’ll realise the do endless things not covered in the bible or by their church elders with no clear reward or punishment done for a lot of reasons (pain of seeing one suffer, supporting friends and family, social insurance, integrity, mutually beneficial, group protection, pain of seeing one suffer). And these kinds of Christians constantly in a never ending stream break God’s commandment, not only the hundreds in the Old testament they’ve never heard of (like women ritually isolating themselves from men when they have their period to wearing clothes of more than one fabric source). And they break them just as much in the New Testament with calls for retribution, the silencing of women and intolerance of other’s world view. Even the most high powered Christian breaks these rules for reasons other than crime and punishment.

Atheists are lucky in that they go much further than cherry picking Christians in that they have the freedom to completely ignore a moral lesson book written 2500 years ago and a slightly lighter less harsh one 1900 years ago. They don’t just break some of these rules as most Christians do, but can break all of them if it gets in the way of improving life and living a pleasant peaceful existence.

I think it all comes down to either Christians who are envious, who are embarassed at their own ability to make broad moral decisions, embarrassed by who subservient they are to a set of old rules, incapable of realising just how much they are like atheists in breaking the rules, afraid of what the future may hold if they leave the sacred and so called “safe” coocoon of religious dictated morals. But ultimately I think it comes mostly from a fear of non-belief, a dislike of those who don’t buy into supernatural delusions and vilainise them for free thought and personal choices. I really believe these pugnatiouse claims of “why on Earth would an atheist want to be Good without a clear list of morals” do so out of fear of non-belief, and the brain farts they have when considering non-believers (especially those who apppear and act pretty much the same as then).