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Here’s a recent radio programme on BBC Radio 4 about the “gender pay gap”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005t3n

Oh and the answer to your questions is “maybe.”…

@Davis

A few problems with this study that jumped out at me:

1. Although published in 2005, they took data from 1960-1990….That’s….30-60 years ago. Do you have anything more recent (like within the past 5 years?)…

Secondly, it even says in the paper that “a continuous, even moderate equalization of the sexes is taking place…(p. 508…[Read more]

Would you vote in a referendum to rectify problems in wage gaps where age or pregnancy is not an issue and productivity is the same.

I would probably vote yes for a fair pay act if such a law did not exist. It is not clear how it would be determined if discrimination exists; salary information is usually private and compensation packages are often…[Read more]

Pope my question was extremely specific and very local. Would you vote in a referendum to rectify problems in wage gaps where age or pregnancy is not an issue and productivity is the same. I didn’t ask if you supported affirmative action or universal wage fairness. This referendum would happen wherever you personally live. You can vote yes or no…[Read more]

Ivy I don’t know what your answer actually is. Would you try to rectify a wage gap that is objectively demonstrated? Yes or no. Maybe is also allowed. But “there are more important things to worry about” or listing speculative theories of why it might happen (totally irrelevant to a discussion on a case where something objectively demonstrated,…[Read more]

As about comprehensive as you can get is a meta-meta study of meta-analysis andatheir own meta-analysis  done over several decades which rigourously control various factors which people usually use as excuses for why women who are equally productive make less than men. The result is: things have gotten better, which points to a recognition of the…[Read more]

Robert_ wrote:
So is this law gonna force corporations to give equal raises to underperforming minority professionals?

So I may not have thought this out thoroughly enough, but I don’t like the idea of requiring companies to comply with affirmative action laws. There’s too much litigation involved as a remedy after the fact of alleged…[Read more]

I’m generally in favor of affirmative action measures, but the ones that have passed legislation (and then failed) lack guidelines for monitoring their effects. In particular, specific measurements from specific agencies should be outlined and periodically reconsidered, including guidelines for how to taper off every affirmative action program o…[Read more]

I’m also still pretty amazed that no one has remotely answered a single one of my original questions.

I did. You just  didn’t like my answers.

The law exists. Equal Employment Opportunity Act has provisions for equal pay under equal circumstances.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/e/equal-pay-act/

This is why most US companies require managers/HR to keep updated records of employee performance, experience, etc. Salary justification and other “cover your ass” considerations has become is…[Read more]

@Davis:

I’m super confused here, because the whole conversation was about people doing the very same work and getting the same results, and yet women get paid less. This is well documented.

Can you provide me an example? Some sort of peer reviewed article that proves this to be fact?

I’m also still pretty amazed that no one has remotely answered a single one of my original questions. It seems that even within these extremely tight parameters, highly limited examples where merit and output and quality are quantifiable and a wage disparity is proven by the data that there is undeniably a problem, would you try to rectify it? It…[Read more]

I’m really fascinated by your claim that gender wage disparity isnt ALL about gender. I’m curious what possible factor outside of gender would explain gender discrimination.

IQ, personality traits, personal family life style preferences, learning disabilities or lack there of, mental health diagnoses or lack there of, motivation, learning sty…

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Ivy is right. In fact, most men focus on what they do, not who they are.

The kinds of questions that we should be asking are not whether or not women are capable of competing with men at the highest level and highest paying jobs (Which pretty much always require you to work… And nothing else) 80+ hours a week. The question should be more like w…[Read more]

Based on our current track record I don’t think we can even do one thing at a time. Not as a collective whole anyway.

Ivy: “There’s other things we need to fix first”

Are you suggesting we can only do one thing at a time?

Ivy is right. In fact, most men focus on what they do, not who they are. In many ways women are not as foolish as men. They do care more about relationships. Men pay dearly for that extra X % of salary. Just listen to the TED talk in Sunday School.