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    At least i can’t see how a clockwork universe depends on our appreciation of its intricacies…

    That reminds me of the now almost retired Anthropic principle 


    @andyhoke –  You know how this site is supposed to be about atheism? But instead it’s just religious about global warming? Can anyone recommend an atheist website that has a clearer focus? thank you.


    Thanks for your latest positive criticism. A quick count of the articles in today’s post has about 19 articles directly related to Atheism and the abuse of religious privilege in its various forms. There are a few more covering various scientific topics and one on Climate Change. One article a week is all it normally has about the climate crisis and I will be keeping it going as it is an important topic.

    I know you don’t think it is an important topic as you said the same thing a year ago. You are not being forced to read it. It probably annoys you as reading the truth and seeing science-based evidence that I first verify is not “fake news” before publishing can challenge your confirmed “denier” bias. I can’t help that. I won’t either.

    I will help you though to find another atheist website that your one positive contribution a year will be appreciated. There is a thing called Google that might help so you could visit here. Go troll elsewhere.


    Have a great week everyone!

    An Evangelical caller recently said to me that religious faith is medicine for the soul. I suggested that the “Best before date” has long since passed and that he was poisoning himself by continuing the daily dosage. I noticed his face change color.

    Me, to a recent caller to my house.


    If you decide to let the bowling ball fall are you causing it to fall or is gravity?

    Just how free are our choices if we they are always constrained by predetermined factors and by our minds that make “decisions” before we become aware of them?


    But free will can be a cause of things: a deciding factor.

    Yes, once you admit that the “choice” you are making is based upon previous events.  Your options are already predetermined. From here it is down to probability.

    By events I mean the possible outcomes of taking certain actions (a probability can be assigned to it).



    It’s sufficient once the other necessary causes are in place.

    Then there is no such thing as Free Will. We are not responsible for our actions if everything is predetermined.


    @simon: The ball falls also because somehow it has got to a height.

    What if the ball was in a zero-gravity environment? It is not turtles all the way down. But you are making a good case to start an argument about Determinism.  Your honor my client is innocent because someone gave him the gun. He could not have put it in his own if that other person was not present. He too is innocent because he would not have had the gun if the gun factory did not manufacture it and they in turn are licensed by the government and fully supported and endorsed by their Christian senators. So, we should blame them and not my client. He had no freewill.

    Gravity too is necessary but not sufficient….

    Gravity is why the ball fell. If it was not manufactured it would not have fallen. If it was not put there it would not have fallen. If a hand release it in a zero-gravity environment, it would not have fallen. The only reason it “fell” (towards the center of the Earth) was because of gravity. It is a sufficient description of the “cause”.

    What is gravity? What happens if you boogie in zero-gravity? It’s a massive question.


    @ Unseen – Yes, abduction might move us towards a better explanation.

    After seeing the bowling ball hit the floor it would be an abductive inference to claim that the hand letting go of the ball was the “causality” of it falling. It is a straightforward explanation and would appear logical.  That is (kinda) what I meant by a “psychological justification” above. It makes sense to us.  But it is not a factually correct description of the “cause”. The ball falls only because of the effects of gravity.

    Therefore, as you said, some causal statements aren’t facts.


    psychological justification

    I agree Davis. I wrote the post over lunch at work and I blame thinking about Wittgenstein and his meaning of words for not allowing me to think of a better term 🙂

    Feedback…the breakfast of champions (and of course Johnnie Walker Black).


    Yes, always right on time but at a different time, every minute, 24 hours a day, depending on where you are on the globe. That is, mein gott, until one day it is not.


    @ Unseen:

    If I drop a bowling ball, I expect it to drop. Is causality more than an expectation based on past experience?

    So, causal statements aren’t facts. Maybe that is what Wittgenstein meant.

    I think that is exactly what he meant. But what if you had never seen a bowling ball drop before? Knowledge only comes from experience and you have no “a  priori knowlege” of falling bowling balls (as Wittgenstein would have argued).

    When the bowling ball lands on the floor how do we decide on the “causality” of the event.  Is it because the hand let it fall or is is because of the effect of gravity? We can use deductive reasoning  inductive reasoning but that does not give us “certainty” that it will happen if we repeat the event in the future. We cannot “know” that the bowling ball will fall tomorrow, we can only infer that it will. It would be illogical to say we have knowledge that it will (based on past events). There exists no “causal necessity”. Yes, we can argue that is it justified that the ball will fall tomorrow but only with a psychological justification and that argument falls outside of logic justification.



    My niece recently got her SAT results. She was in the top 0.7% in America. GPA 4.35 too with AP courses. Several offers from top Universities and not 18 years old yet!! OK Boomers the country is saved!

    148 is enough to join Mensa.

    fyi – Omni collection.


    @michaelI became a member of the 4 Sigma Society. 

    Well done on passing that one. Did it take Kevin a long time to send you the test results?

    I was once offered membership to “The 1000” but I declined.


    Yes, think I got it but will not post it.

    I don’t think you are one to lay traps for troubadours who get killed before they reach Bombay 🙂


    @micheal some anagrams take a little more work.

    Psalm 19:1-6

    The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech. And night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language. Where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth. And their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber. And rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven. And his circuit unto the ends of it: And there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

    Anagram of above:

    When I had listened to the erudite astronomer. When his high thoughts were arranged and charted before me. When I was shown the length and breadth and height of it. The Earth. the horned Moon. the chariot of fire. The hundredth flight of the shuttle through heavyish air. How soon I mysteriously became sad and sick. Had to wander out, ousted, charging through the forest. Joining the sure chaos here in a foreign heath. Having forgotten the vocation of the learned man and in the mystic clearing, once more looked up in perfect silence at the sermon in the stars.

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