Simon Paynton

PopeBeanie wrote:
While as physically and mentally handicapped competitors now have regular events, maybe we could learn from how policies and measurements of “fairness” across diverse memberships were developed.

I think that’s a good analogy regarding fairness in sports.

Not all trans categories are a single category.

Trans men started off as women, and trans women started off as men.  They seem like two very different athletic categories.

Unseen wrote:
It would soon become clear by comparing times between the body-modded and unmodeds whether the division made any sense and would put the controversy to bed finally for any fair-minded folks.

I’m not sure it makes logical sense.

Simon Paynton wrote:
women “in their place”, doing the crappy un-glamorous work.

Although I recognise that’s a gross generalisation.

Unseen wrote:
I remember reading piece about somewhere in Pacifica where the women did most of the fishing, and the explanation given was that it was still a patriarchical society. It’s just that the men assigned the women to fish so that they could loll about in a hammock munching on tropical fruit and drinking coconut milk. And woe betide the w…

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jakelafort wrote:
Think about how many feel bad about their appearance and get implants or rhinoplasty or some alteration of their body in an effort to look the way they hope to look. Are they searching for their actual identity or succumbing to societal pressure to look a certain way? I can only imagine how it feels to KNOW you are male or…

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jakelafort wrote:
Only thing i am aware in which women are perhaps on an equal footing is ultra marathon, the ultimate physical contest.

Women are statistically better at endurance sports than men.

Prehistoric Women Were Also Hunters

jakelafort wrote:
No doubt it is an issue to those who are impacted but beyond that is an anti-lefty in your face issue. It is so insignificant in the scheme of things. Of course i have far less sympathy and far more antipathy for the progressives…

Yes, but each person is a whole world, and each person’s concerns matter.  So, even if the nu…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
Self-servingness is what it is and I hesitate to go so far as calling it sinister.

But you could say the same about any athlete.

Do you mean, trans women athletes can seek to use their advantage knowing it’s unfair?  At the moment, they don’t have much choice, unless they want to ban themselves.

Unseen wrote:
When does a needed fix actually function as a windfall enhancement exploitable by only a certain few, many without but some with ulterior motives.

We have to be charitable and not ascribe ulterior motives to people.  We don’t know what their motives are.  Presumably, they want to play sports, and also, yay for trans p…[Read more]

TheEncogitationer wrote:
2.) Prior to this, did anyone, of any gender, really give a damn about women’s sports? I don’t even here it come up in women’s conversations.

I think women might say something different.  If it never came up in women’s conversations, that’s because it barely existed compared to how things are now, because men wanted…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
Like I said, when it comes to most things like employment, housing, medical care, I am all for full equality. However, when it comes to turning the change into a special advantage over others, I find that unethical.

I think a “trans women” category would be fair to everyone.  I don’t see how it wouldn’t.  At the moment, biological w…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
Having a “trans” category is essentially admitting that trans women are not really biological females. As far as I can tell that equates to transphobia in the minds of many transwomen and advocates.

That would seem to be true.

Davis wrote:
People do not even want to have a discussion about how it can be fair, don’t want to include trans-women in any way in sports and dismiss it’s possibility, even though there are ways to do so in a balanced and fair way. It’s just easier to exclude people, as we’ve always done.

I don’t think that’s true.  I think that most people w…[Read more]