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  • #46016

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    Sooo…A highly sophisticated electronic, cybernetic Magic 8 Ball? 🎱 😁

    #46012

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    Unseen,

    While I am all for repealing zoning, having multi-use buildings, and having businesses and homes in close proximity–within the bounds of preventing nuisance–I don’t favor making anybody do anything in this regard.

    These things should occur naturally as a result of people seeking out their own wants and needs in a free marketplace. In a free society, city slickers and suburbanites and backwoods folks in the sticks all have the right to use their property in any way compatible with the rights of others and they are not and should not be enemies with each other.

    Also, the so-called “15-Minute City” would still be a failure if the intention is reducing or eliminating automobile usage. The very young, the very old, the blind, the deaf, the parapelegic, the quadriplegic, and the otherwise infirm would still need motorized transportation daily, and everyone would want motorized transportation on cold, messy, wet days like it is where I am and just to experience variety in scenery, food, commerce, culture, and entertainment.

    Those who want to get together with their own property and form their own little Stepford “intentional community” are free to do so, but they should get off the lawn of people who still love their microwave, TV, and steel-belted radials and the variety which, to quote William Cowper “is the spice of life, That give it all it’s flavor.”

    🥎 🌭 🥧 🚘 🇺🇸

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    #45996

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    Jake,

    Oh, a capital idea. A capital thought. Do you suppose i can be bought? I’d paraphrase for a raise to guide you through your haze.

    Greater perspicacity, lucidity, sagacity you’ll seldom find. You’re a duck and she is a sharpshooter behind a blind.

    Pretty rhymes don’t make any of that accurate.

    #45994

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    Autumn,

    Presumably they’re both capable of just reading my first post on the subject matter. I’d wager most people are.

    I read your post too and you presume to tell agricultural producers how to do their work and to tell consumers how to eat. Sounds like the same food control freakery that starved millions throughout The Twentieth Century.

    #45946

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    Jake and PopeBeanie,

    Why don’t you both scrape together frontal lobeage and figure out just what Autumn is complaining about? She still hasn’t said yet what the Hell her problem is.

    And respect all of our cousins please and don’t project your smarm onto them.

    #45944

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    Autumn,

    So what exactly is your carp about agriculture? 🤔

    I’d say a global system of agriculture that combines at least minimal private property rights with the techniques of The Green Revolution and lifts 1 billion + human beings out of starvation is pretty damn good!

    I’d say an agriculture system that has so much surplus that people have Punkin Chunkin’ Contests and contests where they grow pumpkins as big as Volkswagons is a wonderful one!

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    #45916

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    Autumn,

    Ah! My assumption was that Cyanosis was only caused by Cyanide. Well, after looking up the condition, I learned something new. Much obliged.

    Nevertheless, the world’s food supply isn’t suffering from Cyanosis or anything even analogous to Cyanosis just because farmers don’t do agriculture the way some demand.

    #45914

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    Autumn,

    Funny, your home garden had fuck all to do with it. 🙄

    So just what the fuck all do you want? It sounds like you want The World and want it now.

    And besides, cyanosis and crushed windpipes wouldn’t go together as causes of death anyway unless crushing the windpipe came second, in which case it would be just gratuitous brutality. It doesn’t take much Forensics to figure that out.

    #45911

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    Autumn,

    Despite being spoiled for options on product assortment, most of us have marginal means to influence how food is grown, let’s say. Even for farmers economic pressures can be far more of a limiting factor rather than enabling.

    As long there is some place where real property rights are respected, the property owner can do any experiment to see if food can be produced in a different way than mass-produced agricultural products. Hobby farms where people do Permaculture are a thing in the U.S., for example.

    Myself, I’m trying to see if I can grow herbs and cherry tomatoes in my apartment. So far the Mint, Basil, and Thyme are having varying degrees of success, the Aloe Vera has done good in the past and may do good later, and the tomato plant is growing good, though fruit remains to be seen.

    I’ve lived in a small town where neighbors kept chickens and pigs. Unlike many Not-In-My-Back-Yard (NIMBY) city slickers, I admired their skill and devotion.

    There is much choice to be found for all who take initiative to find it.

    #45902

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    Autumn,

    Incorrect. I think that an economic system should serve people rather than people serving an economic system. There is a contorted sort of logic were we start tautologically defining ‘good’ by what benefits the market because what benefits the market is assumed to be good for people. While there is a relationship between a healthy economy and benefit for people, it’s neither intrinsic nor absolute. When that relationship starts to break down, it’s time to reexamine what it is we are doing and what we are trying to accomplish.

    A market is just the sum total of all economic decisions made by individuals in a given area. Individuals work, produce and invest within it and thus contribute to it, and individuals barter, buy, and gift within it and thus gain from it. Barring coercion and fraud, a market is a mutual thing. Markets basically are people, and like people, markets change and grow without any need of a central controller.

    #45901

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    Autumn,

    So you know I’m not picking on you too much, no single human being has the knowledge and organizational ability to make any single product with all of it’s components, much less do that for all products in a whole economic sector, and even less so for a whole national or global economy. It all has to be done by division of labor and trade.

    #45897

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    Autumn,

    That isn’t the corollary (and I’m not sure you actually know what ‘corollary’ means), neither is it relevant to my post.

    I did misspell ‘corollary,’ but I do know what it is and, yes, it is very relevant to your post, since you think that what people raise and grow and what people consume needs to be controlled towards some Eco “Grand Design.”

    But in countries like America, food is both over-produced and overeaten. Agriculture isn’t defined by need, but rather the cheapest means for greatest amount of consumption.

    This can only be a good thing. It means that starvation is no longer a problem of supply.

    Today, starvation is a problem created by politics and war getting in the way of trade and distribution, as we see today with the Dutch government’s restrictions on Nitrogen yields, the Sri Lankan government’s compulsory organic farming policy, and the blockage of wheat imports created by Putin’s Russo-Ukrainian War.

    Some practices such as over-reliance on monoculture make sense from an economic perspective, especially in a paradigm where farmers have huge overhead costs in very specialized equipment and very specialized land usage for greater yields. Switching away from monoculture would potentially increase costs to farmers without considerable cooperation and coordination, and these costs would either have to be eaten by farmers, passed on to consumers, or be subsidized in all likelihood. I mean, grocery chains sure as fuck are reluctant to budge on profit margin.

    Farming is a business and good, profitable business eats nothing on costs, so yes, forcing farms out of monoculture and subsidizing other agricultural forms would mean costs would pass on to the average Citizen, both as a taxpayer and a consumer. Not good at all.

    To some degree, our consumption habits may have to change as well. Certain foods may not be readily grown sustainably in such huge quantities for shipment all over the world.

    Make it unregulated and profitable, and someone will make it sustainable.💱

    Previous attempts at regulating psychopharmacological crops and products like alcohol, marijuana, and opioids haven’t done so swimmingly well at anything but creating global-sized organized crime; shooting wars in streets over sales “turf;” adulterated poisonous products; plus blackmail, extortion, robbery, human trafficking, and other crimes and vices surrounding supply and use of drugs.

    Sending out Ninny-Nanny State agents with loaded guns to patrol every home fridge and pantry will just multiply these previous problems by orders of magnitude.

    Obviously I’m being overly broad here. Food production in its entirety is complex well beyond my understanding.

    Yes, indeed. 😏

    #45896

    TheEncogitationer
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    Autumn,

    Maybe he was hallucinating and thought that man was a snowman with a big fat carrot nose.

    Either way, the behavior of the COO of Beyond Meat does not speak well for Vegan impulse control or intellectual accumen. 🙄😁

    #45893

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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    Not all plant-based diets are equal . . . for health or the environment.

    I can attest to that, just from looking at a package of Impossible Brand Jerky. It has absurdly high levels of saturated fat! For real beef or bison jerky, fat is a no-no because it makes the product rancid.

    And the plant based jerky also has absurd levels of Sodium. While this is true of many varieties of meat jerky, you can at least make meat jerky salt-free using fruit, spice, vinegar, or pepper marinades.

    Another thing that comes to mind is this:. If Vegetarians and Vegans want to avoid meat, why then do they insist upon wanting and making vegetable products that look like meat? 🤔

    Goodness knows, this fellow could have used a nice, thick, juicy, delicious, melt-in-your-mouth-good slice of prime rib with all the pot roast trimmings to calm him down:

    Beyond Meat COO suspended for allegedly biting man’s nose
    https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/beyond-meat-coo-suspended-for-allegedly-biting-man-s-nose-148890181557

    #45892

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    Autumn,

    What’s interesting is from an industrialization perspective, there is insane efficiency, but that efficiency is largely geared toward monetary profit (or just economic sustainability in the current economic system). There are other industries as well where we see this pattern (e.g. clothing).

    Well, profit and loss is the market price system applied to business and it is the signal to determine to determine whether a business venture is succeeding or failing.

    The correlary to this is that to tax, restrict, or ban profit or to stop loss by coercive monopoly, subsidy, and bail-outs creates distortion and chaos in an economy.

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