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_Robert_ wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us a…

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_Robert_ wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us an absolute that h…

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Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

Yes you do, you have physical and scientific facts to build the foundation on.

Facts are in one realm and values are in another one and never the twain shall meet…[Read more]

I can be good without god. Ya see, theists, i am a good person. I do good stuff cuz it is good and avoid doing bad stuff not because i want to get in the good place and avoid the bad place.

Ya do, ha? Very proud of you. But you can not be a good person without the moral inculcation from our church!

It just sickens/amuses me how we go with the…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
But it doesn’t follow from that that it can’t be intelligent or conscious in a way it that serves its interests rather than ours.

You’re right, it doesn’t.  But your statement is also consistent with the idea that it can never be human.

Unseen wrote:
You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

Yes you do, you have physical and scientific facts to build the foundation on.

Unseen wrote:
You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

It seems that with any sort of absolutes there ends up being a gazillion exceptions. Give us an absolute that has no e…[Read more]

You can’t have any sort of ethical system without absolutes. You can make ethical pronouncements till the cows come home, but without some sort of absolute value(s), you have no foundation to build one on.

Writing a novel recently i alternated paragraphs with AI and while its syntax was flawless and progression logical there was something missing. Not exactly stilted. Can’t put my finger on it. But it was not quite right.

But i wonder if it has achieved a level in which it can lets say write in the style of Woolf, Twain, Dostoevsy. And if so is it…[Read more]

I did use AI to help write a song and make suggestions. And then I didn’t care for it, but there is a reasonable workflow if you don’t let it just go hog-wild.

Rather than relying on an ultimate supernatural authority, secular morality can rest on a foundation of shared humanity, reason, and an ongoing commitment to reduce suffering and promote flourishing.

That’s a decent summary.

Unseen wrote:
The aibient Youtube channel puts out hyperrealistic AI-created 11-12 hour long simulated 3D videos like this virtually daily: Imagine how much it would cost and how much time it would take to hire a video artist to create anything like this if the stipulation was “no AI”.

When it comes to music, quantity doesn’t posses a qual…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
An AI can never be human-centred, because it’s Artificial.

But it doesn’t follow from that that it can’t be intelligent or conscious in a way it that serves its interests rather than ours.

The question of whether morality must originate from an absolute authority?

Reminds me of question whether we atheists can be good without having the imprimatur of stupidity.
When i watched Hitchens debate this issue with William Craig or whatever his name i wanted to retch, vomit, puke and be demonstrative in any way possible what a piss poor…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
Your considerations are all human-centered. An intelligent AI needn’t be.

An AI can never be human-centred, because it’s Artificial.

State-of-the-art, which is to say, pretty dumb in some places but fair enough a lot of the time.  Yes, the AI has done a good job of summarising the field in my opinion.

The question of whether morality must originate from an absolute authority, particularly a supernatural one, is central to a lot of philosophical debate between theists and secularists. Many religious apologists argue that without a divine authority, there can be no objective basis for morality, meaning there’s no ultimate “right” or “wron…[Read more]

I met up with a cousin of mine a while back. He said “I gotta say thanks man for making me listen to Volume 4 when I was 12. I have discovered so much great music because of that and it has enhanced my life at all of it stages”.

Forty years later, it is still a great album. It has inspired many bands but none have surpassed it.

Sometimes I read…[Read more]

The aibient Youtube channel puts out hyperrealistic AI-created 11-12 hour long simulated 3D videos like this virtually daily:

Imagine how much it would cost and how much time it would take to hire a video artist to create anything like this if the stipulation was “no AI”.