Everything you know about Covid is wrong

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  • #46700

    Davis
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    It all just goes to show that someone trained in rigorous critical thinking methods can fall so god damn far from the wagon. I wonder, on what topics I pull such a blatant “unseen” as unseen is. Picking out things that are true out of context, selectively listening to the fraction of dissenters and blatantly missing the broader picture. I know it’s impossible to get everything right, but I truly hope I’m not doing this too much for the god damned obvious.

    #46706

    Belle Rose
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    @unseen

    This occurred to me as a response.

    That really sucks.

    You know what also really sucks? One of my really good friends from high school was pregnant with twins when the pandemic first started. She herself is a nurse and healthy as a horse. This was before the vaccine was even available. She caught Covid at work which of course, because she works in a hospital… And guess what? She almost died of myocarditis and her twins had to be taken early, so they have some health issues… She almost died. Someone who is my age and extremely healthy,… So yeah, there is a risk of temporary myocarditis with the vaccine, but it pales in comparison to what the virus can do to a perfectly healthy person who hasn’t been vaccinated. And that’s precisely the point. You have to remember what happened before the vaccine. I also know lots of people who lost loved ones before they could get the vaccine. How sad is that?

    #46707

    Belle Rose
    Participant

    @unseen

    I am wondering if I made a mistake to get the shot and four boosters even if it made me less susceptible to Covid, which it may not have, but made me more susceptible to a number of other diseases and conditions.

    No. The fact that you got vaccinated has not made you more susceptible to a number of other diseases and conditions. All the vaccine did was teach your body how to respond if that virus enters your body and your immune system recognizes it and knows how to fight it. That’s it. That’s really it. All this other bullshit is people who don’t know what they’re talking about.

    I have a friend who got diagnosed with cancer and now he swears up and down that he got cancer because of the Covid vaccine. This mentality is running rampant in society and a lot of people believe it. Don’t fall for it Unseen!

    #46709

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen and Fellow Unbelievers,

    Speaking for my own sit-rep, I am double-vaxed and double-boostered for COVID-19. (There are 4 boosters now? I’ll
    have to see about the rest.). Also, I get regular vaccines for Influenza and Pneumonia and have had vaccines for Shingles, Tetanus, and Tuberculosis. So far, no coronary issues or any symptoms attributable to COVID-19.

    During my recent visits for my colonoscopy and my broken toe, I volunteered my COVID-19 Vaccine Card and asked if I needed to wear a mask and the staff said they weren’t necessary. Evidently the worst of the Wu Flu is behind us in my part of NC.

    I do have several problems with how COVID-19 has been handled these past three years.

    First, Dr. Anthony Fauci shot his wad of credibility quite a while back in the Eighties on the HIV/AIDS crisis. He propagated the notion the AIDS could be spread by casual contact, he never walked it back, people believed it into the late Eighties, and then people were believing mosquitos could spread AIDS and 200 Million Americans would have AIDS by 2000. It led to even worse moral panic and hysteria against Gay men, as well against people who got AIDS by blood transfusion.

    Dr. Fauci also worked against approval of drugs that helped AIDS patients with PCP Pneumonia and this led to the deaths of thousands. The ostracism by Gummint Skoolz, the death threats, and the gunshots into the home of poor Ryan White and his family can be placed firmly in the hands of Dr. Anthony Fauci:

    Video Resurfaces of Fauci Warning ‘Household Contact’ with AIDS Patients Could Put Kids at Risk
    Isaac Schorr
    November 9, 2021·2 min read
    https://news.yahoo.com/video-resurfaces-fauci-warning-household-180945365.html

    Whitewashing AIDS History
    By
    Sean Strub, Contributor
    Founder, POZ magazine; Executive Director, Sero Project
    Feb 21, 2014, 04:10 PM EST
    |
    Updated Dec 6, 2017
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whitewashing-aids-history_b_4762295

    Dr. Fauci’s record on COVID-19 is no better. His initial ‘noble lie’ about people not needing masks in order to preserve supplies for health care workers–along with his subsequent flip-flopping about masks needing to be mandatory and which and how many masks are needed and where–all served to give science a bad name in eyes of lay people who might be receptive to science if it were presented succinctly and above-board. Real science is evidence-based and shares it’s homework, and Dr. Anthony Fauci has done neither.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci needs a defendant’s seat at The Hague right next to Emperor Xi for both his deadly AIDS debacles of over 40 years ago and all the COVID-19-related Hellscape and Crimes Against Humanity that have plagued our world for the past three years.

    • This reply was modified 1 year ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Addendums
    • This reply was modified 1 year ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Correction: Eighties not Nineties
    #46712

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen and Fellow Unbelievers,

    The worse thing any Government can do in any crisis situation, including pandemics like COVID-19, is to clamp down on merchants they deem to be ‘price-gaugers.’

    When Government says prices can’t go any higher than a certain rate, then customers make a mad dash for the price-controlled products, the manufacturers scale back on production, and the end result is shortages of and lines for the price-controlled products.

    We all seen this happen during the pandemic with shortages of masks, gloves, Personal Protection Equipment, sanitizer, rubbing alcohol, Hydrogen Peroxide, Iodine, wipes, and (of all things) toilet paper.

    If prices are simply left alone, some items may go up, but that means buyers scale back their purchases, limit usage, and/or find substitutions. Meanwhile, manufacturers crank up production and shipping in response to the increased prices and then when inventory fills shelves and competition from other manufacturers comes into play, the prices come down to previous levels.

    The worst case scenario is that buyers temporarily buy a four-roll pack of toilet paper and use fewer sheets or use fast-food napkins or get a flexible shower-head to use as a bidet rather than backing up the Ford F-150 for a whole pallet of Charmin.

    #46713

    Unseen
    Participant

    @unseen

    This occurred to me as a response.

    That really sucks. You know what also really sucks? One of my really good friends from high school was pregnant with twins when the pandemic first started. She herself is a nurse and healthy as a horse. This was before the vaccine was even available. She caught Covid at work which of course, because she works in a hospital… And guess what? She almost died of myocarditis and her twins had to be taken early, so they have some health issues… She almost died. Someone who is my age and extremely healthy,… So yeah, there is a risk of temporary myocarditis with the vaccine, but it pales in comparison to what the virus can do to a perfectly healthy person who hasn’t been vaccinated. And that’s precisely the point. You have to remember what happened before the vaccine. I also know lots of people who lost loved ones before they could get the vaccine. How sad is that?

    My point was (I’ll emphasize it for you) that it seems vaccination exposes one to many more risks than just myocarditis. But whatever… LOL

    I am sorry about your friend and her twins. However, the vaccine has proven to NOT keep people from getting Covid even several times (most notably, Pres. Biden), and if they get it, they can spread it. Not only that, even if someone isn’t sick with Covid they can carry and spread it.

    The latest news is that nearly 60% of those dying of Covid were vaccinated, although as Dr. Wen above is contending, people dying with Covid are mixed in with those dying of Covid, so we really don’t have a reliable handle even on Covid mortality stats.

    #46714

    Belle Rose
    Participant

    @unseen

    My point was (I’ll emphasize it for you) that it seems vaccination exposes one to many more risks than just myocarditis. But whatever… LOL

    So does COVID. And effects of the vaccine are temporary, the effects of the actual virus can be permanent.

    I think the notion that once you get vaccinated you get “magically immune” from ever getting Covid again in your life, that was always wrong information. And nobody ever really claimed that from the scientific community, when the vaccine first came out they didn’t know what to expect because it was brand new in someways, all they had to go off of was the clinical trials, however… The science behind how they made the vaccine has been in existence and been being developed ever since the other SARS virus I forget the name right now but it was back in about 2000, so this mRNA vaccine development is not new science. If we did not have that science already developed, our nation and world would not have a Covid vaccine right now at all… And who knows how many more people would have died

    #46715

    Belle Rose
    Participant

    The mRNA vaccine development and studies were beginning when the SARS-CoV Virus was in circulation. The difference between the SARS-CoV virus back then is that it was more deadly, but the virus sucked at mutating and was not able to infect people as easily. So by the time they had the vaccine developed to begin clinical trials in humans, people were no longer sick. But the science stayed around and the vaccine was still there as part of the repertoire of possibilities to fight these viruses because we have known for a long time that this type of virus could eventually come and hit us. So in a lot of ways the difficult part was already done and the science was already being developed, but there was no actual virus to be testing on humans until Covid came around. That’s why it normally would’ve taken decades to develop… They were able to do in about a year. Lucky us. You should be thanking your lucky stars lol

    • This reply was modified 1 year ago by  Belle Rose.
    #46717

    I am double-vaxxed and double-boostered for COVID-19 too. I got my second booster at end last November in Atlanta and the flu jab a few days later. Back in Dublin 4 weeks later I got Covid.  Could not lie down without staring a coughing fit and could hardly speak for 3 days. Apart from that I sort of forgot I had it until I tried to sleep again! Oh, the sleep of wheezin! Recovered quickly and no “Long Covid” , thank science.

    I suspect the Moderna booster did not include any info about newer strains and that is why I got it so badly. It is also like a different virus it has evolved (or mutated) so rapidly.

    #46718

    Unseen
    Participant

    @Enco and everyone. Let me admit that I don’t much like Rand Paul generally because he’s always been a theatrical showboater when the cameras are rolling. Fauci, likewise, is no deer in the headlights. He’s faced hostile questioning from mostly right-wine politician/legislators more than a few times. However, Sen. Paul seems to be on to some things when it comes to Dr. Fauci.

    For example, many of the good doctor’s responses to Sen. Paul on the topic of gain-of-function research sure feel like hair-splitting. Like he’s telling the truth but not the whole truth.

    He also seems to continue to maintain that Covid came naturally from Chinese bats whereas many researchers who’ve seen the genome think that it sure looks like the product of a lab,  if not the lab in Wuhan, then some lab (these labs sometimes exchange samples of their work). But the pandemic started in China near the Wuhan lab, so it’s the #1 candidate.

    Also, a commission put together by Lancet, one of the two or three top medical journals in the world, concluded that Covid was almost certainly not natural in origin but was engineered.

    #46719

    Unseen
    Participant

    FYI, Unseen has not gone to the dark side. I’ve always been what you might call a creative troller. I like to take the gadfly position in order to get people talking and examining their own beliefs. Examining the contrary evidence. That’s always been and always will be me. If I ever came here and we weren’t engaged in spirited discussion, I’d just stay home. Most likely you would, too.

    #46721

    Belle Rose
    Participant

    @unseen

    So is that your way of saying that you were just fucking with us? Lol

    #46723

    Unseen
    Participant

    @unseen So is that your way of saying that you were just fucking with us? Lol

    No. It’s always been my way to make sure “the other side” gets a hearing. That is not “fucking with” anyone.

    #46724

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Whatever is there can cause despair. Lean into the unseen. Tell me what you glean?

    Neb by neb
    the sighted sign
    that waxing on
    is so much brail
    in declensions
    of discerning
    glancing meaning
    but who can describe?

    UNSEEN

    #46725

    jakelafort
    Participant

    For whome the Belle rose?

    Nobody knows.

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