Is the US officially a fascist country yet?

[PopeBeanieModerator]

jakelafort wrote:

By chance is either a vegan or vegetarian? I assume they’re atheists.

The younger daughter used to be vegan or vegetarian… funny I don’t remember the difference atm. I would be vegan or vegetarian if I felt it suited my health better, but I’ve had more success with Keto. I believe veganism and vegetarianism are good mostly for sustainability reasons, plus for some of its humanitarian pluses. I’ll accept some criticism for my Keto selfishness, and I’ll never criticize the vegetable-only eaters, because I know they’re good for humanity’s future. I think Earth and its flora and fauna would all be better off if we were all vegans and vegetarians from the start.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Vegans don’t eat meat products like eggs and cheese.

I am veggie strictly for ethical reasons. I love meat but i don’t want to be part of the vicious slaughtering of animals. But on balance based on my study of the topic vegetarians/vegans live longer and are less apt to get heart disease, cancer and other fun stuff. The critics who say ya need meat for protein are mistaken. I am so looking forward to lab grown meat. It is supposed to be for sale this year, i think…

[_Robert_Participant]

I have been an ‘almost’ vegetarian for most of my life. Once in a while I will have a pepperoni pizza or some seafood…maybe 2 or 3 times a month. One exception was an extreme low carb diet a few years ago. I met my target, dropping 22 pounds and then went back to my old veggie routine.. just eating less flour based foods. I am at my high school weight, LOL. Seems to me especially in the US…our food is killing us.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Did someone say popcorn?

Burned with butter and salt?

[UnseenParticipant]

Let’s stop this right now. Let’s not turn this into a vegetarian/vegan vs. carnivarian mnjdebate. Look at the main topic.

I’ll just say that to each their own as long as they can keep to themselves and don’t take it to absurd levels, like feeding their cats (obligate carnivores) a vegan diet. If you want a pet that can thrive on a vegan diet, get a dog.

[jakelafortParticipant]

To each their own?

I wonder about that sometimes. I don’t preach. Maybe i should though. Is this so dissimilar from 1808 Alabama on a plantation in which somebody feels strongly that slavery is indefensible and despicable? Do they open their mouths to express their indignation? Or keep their mouth shut so they do not offend the majority whites?

Nature is a jungle but it is not an abattoir. History demonstrates that might makes right. We have the power over the rest of the animals. Oh yeah, bacteria and viruses sometimes have our number. So until aliens descend on us and slaughter the meat eaters and spare the vegan/vegetarians aint much gonna change unless the impetus is climate change and the negative contribution of animal husbandry. Maybe that is the sci fi novel i should write…

[_Robert_Participant]

You can trace almost all human pandemics and much environmental damage to our kept animals. Then again, it is said Hitler was a veg, LOL. See that..a full circle !

[jakelafortParticipant]

I was not even thinking of pandemics.

That may ultimately contribute to a movement ending animal slaughter cycle particularly since we will have a perfectly good substitute for our palates and a more healthy substitute at that ( no antibiotics and control over type and percentage of fat)

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

You can trace almost all human pandemics and much environmental damage to our kept animals. Then again, it is said Hitler was a veg, LOL. See that..a full circle !

Jeremy Diamond in his great book Guns, Germs, and Steel says that the European’s resistance to disease was due to their domesticated animals, giving them an enhanced resistance to a variety of diseases that proved deadly to people in other lands who had no domesticated animals.

Isn’t it true that nowadays most novel diseases that cross over into humans come from bats, monkeys, and other non-domesticated animals?

[UnseenParticipant]

BTW, I have created a veganism topic, so we can discuss veganism somewhere more appropriate than here.

[jakelafortParticipant]

It is often pointed out that indigenous people lacked resistance to diseases that they had not encountered-that were introduced by the Christians of mercy. I wonder if any diseases were knew to the Europeans. And as i write and think i have to imagine there were a great many that were knew to Europeans. But as an aside it is probably a mistake when parents have immaculate households for babies.

[UnseenParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

It is often pointed out that indigenous people lacked resistance to diseases that they had not encountered-that were introduced by the Christians of mercy. I wonder if any diseases were knew to the Europeans. And as i write and think i have to imagine there were a great many that were knew to Europeans. But as an aside it is probably a mistake when parents have immaculate households for babies.

In Guns, Germs, and Steel Prof. Diamond says that sometimes Europeans picked up diseases from conquered peoples, but most typically it was the other way around.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Yeah i am not sure about North America but certainly in the tropics and Africa there were new diseases like malaria, dengue fever, yellow fever etc.

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

Isn’t it true that nowadays most novel diseases that cross over into humans come from bats, monkeys, and other non-domesticated animals?

Yeah, when people catch them to eat them. I get it that people get hungry but damn..they practically devour everything that has an asshole.

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Unseen wrote:

Isn’t it true that nowadays most novel diseases that cross over into humans come from bats, monkeys, and other non-domesticated animals?

Yeah, when people catch them to eat them. I get it that people get hungry but damn..they practically devour everything that has an asshole.

What? Bat on a stick doesn’t sound yummy?

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