Is the US officially a fascist country yet?

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  • #35918

    Davis
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    Centralised medicine is about as obvious and sensible as centralised primary and secondary schooling, having common roads and a state postal system. The only reason to not implement it is so that private companies can make an extortionate killing on it and so that the very very richest people can have slightly better service (which in fact is still possible in mixed systems anyways). Middle class Americans who resist nationalised health care are stupid fools. There is not a single rational defence of this resistance but terrible excuses and ideological insanity. You are being duped by the interests of the richest companies and lobbyists.

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    #35920

    Simon Paynton
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    I heard someone say that health care should be considered as infrastructure.

    #35921

    Davis
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    In fact the UK is a pretty shinning example of what happens when you fully privatise something that should be public (or at best semi-privatised in a smart way) being the rail system. It has been nothing short of a full out catastrophic disaster the privatisation of British Rail. That same ideology (private is always better) is the same one used to justify continued American medical system cruelty. I mean…why don’t be privatise traffic lights?

    #35922

    Simon Paynton
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    The privatised train system in the UK is much better than the previous nationalised one.

    The health service is of the highest standard.

    #35923

    Davis
    Moderator

    What are you talking about? When I lived in the UK I couldn’t even afford to take the train most of the time it was so expensive. And 1/3 of all the trains I took were delayed or even cancelled. It is the worst rail system in Europe and the most expensive and flawed I’ve ever seen in a developd country (and there are many contenders including Ukraine or Macedonia). The ticket prices are higher than France or Germany and you don’t even have high speed trains. I don’t understand how anyone could find UK rail privatisation anything other than a disaster. The price of a ticket from London to Manchester is utterly insane. It is cheaper to fly.

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    #35927

    Unseen
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    #35928

    _Robert_
    Participant

    Yeah, there it is. Don’t get sick in America. We got aircraft carriers though.

    #35929

    jakelafort
    Participant

    I buy in completely to the premise of that video. Americans are absolutely retarded in being frightened by the right when they flash that evil word, socialism. Just want to point out that in regards to the numbers of Americans who file bankruptcy as a result of medical bills it is simply wrong. I represented well over a thousand clients in filing bankruptcy and just a very small minority were filing because of medical bills.

    #35930

    Unseen
    Participant

    I buy in completely to the premise of that video. Americans are absolutely retarded in being frightened by the right when they flash that evil word, socialism. Just want to point out that in regards to the numbers of Americans who file bankruptcy as a result of medical bills it is simply wrong. I represented well over a thousand clients in filing bankruptcy and just a very small minority were filing because of medical bills.

    Socialism: Stalin who killed millions of his own people, Pol Pot and the Cambodian killing fields, Castro’s many firing squad murders of 10’s of thousands of Cuban citizens including many children. That’s why we can’t have socialism here say the right wingers. You can’t trust those socialists because of their murderous history.

    That’s what I hear from my right-wing “friends.”

    We have many people in the U.S. who are either refugees from some of these countries where “socialism” meant murder and genocide, or their parents or grandparents were refugees and tell the stories. Their fear of socialism is genuine and deeply-rooted.

    #35931

    jakelafort
    Participant

    I assume Unseen, you are indicating that there are indeed refugees who fear that word but are confused it and conflating socialized medicine with their prior experiences.

    #35932

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Davis,

    Before there was social media like Facebook and Twitter (Zuckerberg and Dorsey are both Lefty by the bye,) there were blogs, Web Sites, and Forums.

    Before those, there were Listservs, Newsgroups, and Internet Relay Chat (IRC.)

    Before those, there were Bulletin Board Systems (BBS), Facsimile Machines, Teletype, and Telex Machines.

    Before those, there were Shortwave, Ham, Citizen’s Band (CB,) and legal and pirate radio AM and FM frequencies.  (Pirate radio was how the UK got 24/7 music radio when government-run BBC would only play one hour per day as late as the Sixties.)

    Before those, there were newsletters, telephone trees, party lines, telegraphs, and postal mail.

    About that time, the social media hubs were called bars, pubs, and coffee houses.  Pubs were popular among America’s Revolutionaries and coffee houses were popular with France’s skeptical, secular  <i>Philosophes.</i>

    Really, they are still all around among affictionados and hobbyists, each newest medium and platform overlapping the previous mediums and platforms.

    And you want to “regulate the shit out of” all of this for the sake of a guaranteed outcome in the realm of ideas instead of offering a better idea?

    Uh, no.  Be gone.

    Sorry, you asserted that social media was this big driver of Anti-Vaxxer hysteria.  I gave you the falsifying instances of Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s bogus article in The Lancet, plus Jenny McCarthy’s TV hysteria on Oprah, then threw in the Tuskeegee Syphillis Experiment as a bonus, and you won’t accept anything as a falsifying instance.  “Be gone” is all the response this rates.

    And this thread actually asks whether we’re officially a Fascist State?  Well, it’s not from a lack of trying.

     

     

    #35933

    Autumn
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    Sorry, you asserted that social media was this big driver of Anti-Vaxxer hysteria.  I gave you the falsifying instances of Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s bogus article in The Lancet, plus Jenny McCarthy’s TV hysteria on Oprah, then threw in the Tuskeegee Syphillis Experiment as a bonus, and you won’t accept anything as a falsifying instance.  “Be gone” is all the response this rates.

    That isn’t falsifying since the claim isn’t that anti-vaccine beliefs didn’t predate modern social media. The claim was with regard to the impact of social media on the saturation of these ideas in the general population. Jenny McCarthy wasn’t on Oprah until 2007(?). Between 2007 and 2008, Facebook alone had gone from 14 million users to 100 million, and certainly it wasn’t the only avenue for spreading propagandistic web bullshit at the time. Truth be told though, I don’t think I came across her until 2008/ 2009 myself. Never was an Oprah watcher.

    The date at which Wakefield published his paper doesn’t speak much to when his work hit mainstream audiences with any real force. Did you know the term ‘meme’ was coined in 1976? And world wide memes existed at least as early as the 40s with Kilroy (I’m just taking shit of wiki atm, but the point is what it is). That doesn’t mean mean “meme”s as we know them now in their bastardized internet form had the same impact, exposure and adoption rate throughout all that time frame.

    #35934

    TheEncogitationer
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    Simon,

    I don’t understand what ‘s so terrible about free health care.  Do you enjoy having greedy vultures feeding off your life?  That’s what the US health care system looks like to us.

    Did you read a single syllable about The Tuskeegee Syphillis Experiment I posted earlier?  In this experiment, the U.S. Government was the vulture/bird-of-prey hybrid when it offered “free health care” and baited-and-switched black sharecroppers just to watch them atrophy and die!  No private practitioner could ever get away with what our Government did for 40 years!

    And if you want another example, there’s the U.S. Veterans Administration, where men and women who served our nation loyally wait on “free” health care and die in seas of bureaucracy, paperwork, and red tape!

    And for all the terrible things about “free” full-on womb-to-tomb living, ask the poorest, sickest, shortest-lived group of U.S. Citizens–The Native Americans.  Ask them about “The Great White Father” in Washington, D.C. at The Bureau of Indian Affairs.

    Could it be that nothing on Earth is Heaven-Sent?  (Does that really have to be asked here?)

    Could it be that “free” health care is worth exactly what you pay for it?

    Could it be that “feee” things are not respected and destroy the self-respect of the receiver?

    Could it be that whatever the Government subsidizes, it ultimately controls…and not always to the individual patient’a benefit?

    #35935

    Unseen
    Participant

    I assume Unseen, you are indicating that there are indeed refugees who fear that word but are confused it and conflating socialized medicine with their prior experiences.

    Anything having to do with socialism triggers them.

    #35936

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    Could it be that “feee” things are not respected and destroy the self-respect of the receiver?

    I don’t know what kind of fantasy land you’re living in.  Free health care – keeping you alive, for free – is a good thing.

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