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    If something serious or terminal were to happen to Joe Biden before Nov. 3rd would Kamala Harris take his place as the Democratic nominee for POTUS?

    #32811

    Unseen
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    If something serious or terminal were to happen to Joe Biden before Nov. 3rd would Kamala Harris take his place as the Democratic nominee for POTUS?

    I think you’ll find that the Democratic Party’s leadership would decide what to do.

    #32812

    jakelafort
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    I am not aware of any precedent for that issue. Nor am i aware of any rules to decide it.

    #32816

    Unseen
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    I am not aware of any precedent for that issue. Nor am i aware of any rules to decide it.

    “Since the time of Andrew Jackson’s run for the presidency in 1828, individual political parties have had the job of filling any vacancy on their national ticket, either that of their presidential or vice-presidential candidate. If one of their candidates vacates the ticket after they are nominated, either because of death or withdrawal, the party selects a replacement.

    “Both the Republican and the Democratic parties have rules in their bylaws governing how to fill the vacancy. The Party Chair calls a meeting of the National Committee, and the Committee members at the meeting vote to fill the vacancy on the ticket. A candidate must receive a majority of the votes to win the party’s nod.

    “The same process would happen if the vacancy were to occur after the general election but before the Electoral College voting. If a vacancy should occur on the winning ticket, it would then be the party’s responsibility to fill it and provide a candidate for whom their electors could vote.” (source)

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    jakelafort
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    Yeah Unseen that makes sense.

    #32821

    Ivy
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    Sigh 😔….wrong choice.

    Trump is going to have a field day with her. Already started.

    Joe Biden just decreased his odds of winning.

    I really hope that enough black voters come out to vote to counteract the ignorant masses that are going to now vote for Trump just to not vote for Harris.

     

    Dont get me wrong…I LOVE Kamala Harris and wanted to see her win when she ran for President….

    But too many Trump supporters who may have swayed away are now going to back track.

    Time will tell but I think he should have picked someone else…. Too many ways Trump can and WILL drag her through the mud and spin lies to his sheep and they will believe him

    Just watch

    #32822

    Ivy
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    I had said before that it really depends on who he picks as VP whether or not he’s going to get reelected. His chances just went up a lot…Please let it not be so….

    #32826

    jakelafort
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    Ivy i think it was a good VP selection. Trump will attack? So what? He always does.

    The BLM movement and fight for civil rights is paramount. The time is now. Now is the time. If Biden had selected a white VP there would have been a big backlash. Kamala is reasonably intelligent, self-assured, has presence and is unafraid to mix it up. She will bring out the voters who might have been so pissed unless they got a non-white vp woman that some would not vote. She also has a centrist appeal as an AG and prosecutor. She looks so sharp next to Trump that it is obvious she can handle the office of Prez if need be.

    I don’t like her. But i think she is a good solid pick. She did some shit as a prosecutor that was reprehensible. Read about her and you will see.

    #32834

    Ivy
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    @jakelafort

    There were plenty of other women of color that would have been FAR less controversial. You have to realize that there are a LOT of people in this country who will believe almost anything Trump says.

    again I was really rooting for her. But I think he could have done a lot better. There are plenty of women of color he could have chosen that would have been far less controversial.

    Whatever it takes we just need to get him out of office

    #32835

    Ivy
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    You just watch: there’s going to be a TON of controversy surrounding her and that’s really not what we want…

    #32836

    jakelafort
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    Ivy, what do you think will be in controversy? I am guessing it won’t be over her horrible record as a prosecutor.

    #32838

    Ivy
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    @jakelagort

    He’s already saying things like she’ll raise taxes, she’s all for socialized medicine, so she will be painted as a socialist, he is saying that she wants to gut the military, that the economy will be bad for small businesses owners, He said she was “nasty” towards judge Kavanagh (Who are the Republicans love), He’s going to call her nasty anytime he gets a chance… Honestly to be honest with you there’s a whole lot of things he can say…

     

    And to be honest with you… It makes Joe Biden look insincere. I mean him and Kamala had it out for each other…It makes it look like he’s only picking her because she’s a woman of color. And that’s great, I’m glad that he’s doing that. But it makes him look insincere, as if he’s only choosing her because he thinks that it will make him win, which really doesn’t do much to boost his character in the eyes of the people who would vote against him.

    if he had been really really smart, he would have picked a republican woman of color who is somewhere in the middle, who can work with people from both sides of the aisle. That would’ve been a much better choice. Somebody who Republicans would have been able to stand behind. He would have got a lot more votes that way. Not somebody who can be painted as a socialist. It has the danger of becoming similar to “Bernie part two.” Lots of Republicans see socialism as extreme opposite of themselves which is the exact thing that is tearing our country apart. It just creates more of the “us versus them” mentality. We really need somebody who can unite everybody both Democrat and Republican. We’re basically on the brink of Civil War.

    #32840

    jakelafort
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    Unite republican and democrat? Now? In this universe? That person would have to be God or his emissary with clear proof of his provenance.

    We agree and it is almost certainly consensus that priority is to defeat Trump-and then have a good plan when he refuses to leave. I see it differently in terms of her impact. She is that republican woman. She came across as one of the least liberal on the debate stage. And her history in law enforcement helps the tweeners who fear chaos. She has the stain of being a law and order politician. Not badly enough to scare off the left but enough to capture independents who fear anarchy. And there is a chance that protests in Chicago and a few other locales will degenerate and that makes her a good candidate.

    It is also important to recognize that times are a changin. The notion of universal health will never play better than it does now with soaring unemployment and a pandemic. Well no, it will play even stronger by the time the election arrives. Trump is gonna talk shit till his last breath. But i think it is clear Kamala can play bad girl/good guy for Joe. I can’t imagine a more vulnerable candidate than Trump. So i think she will give him a whole boat load of invective or at least facts and characterizations that portray him as he is.

    And there is ambiguity in asking the gal who shot Biden in the nuts and kicked him up the ass. I see your point. But it cuts both ways. It really does take a big person to accept the criticism which is i think implicit and to subordinate his ego for the betterment of the ticket.

    #32841

    Ivy
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    I think Susan Rice would’ve been the perfect choice. It would have been a lot harder for Trump to find faults with her, she has been out of the spotlight,…It’s already starting. Just take a look at Fox News and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Harris is going to be painted as extreme, and that’s not going to do Joe Biden any favors. While she is excellent, And perfectly qualified, she is also of all the women of color he could have chosen, going to be the most controversial. I think she’s going to absolutely nail her debate against Mike Pence…

     

    But I still stand by my belief that Susan Rice would have been harder to attack. And Susan Rice is somebody that I actually think a lot of Republicans would’ve voted for. That would have been great. We need to get this asshole out of office fast.

     

    Not saying that Harris can’t do the job… But Joe Biden just made the race a little bit harder on himself then he had to and for no real reason. There were plenty of other less controversial choices.

    And I will say it right now, it might’ve cost him the election, depending on how many people believe trumps lies about her

     

     

    #32844

    Davis
    Moderator

    It seems the democrats are moving slightly more towards conservative ideology to court potential (only potential) Republican converts. The Republicans aren’t doing the same. If anything they are heading more towards far-right ideologies and not making any slight compromise ideologically. This means everything in American politics is heading towards the more conservative. Selecting a vanilla very moderate Republican friendly VP candidate may court a few republican votes but at what cost? The cost is to give Ameircans two options: conservative or less conservative with no real liberal option. I know that this is what will always happen in a two party system, that both parties will, on the average neither party will usually be super conservative or super liberal but moderate themselves, but it seems that for the last two decades, the democrats have been doing ALL of the moderating and the Republicans have been shamelessly leaning as conservative as they can. The democrats seem to think that their strategy is to always compromise and give up on liberal programs that every other democratic country in the world have already implemented to placate people, but as you can see…the Republicans have shown that you don’t need to sacrafice policy these days to get elected. In other words, a moderate VP may get some votes but the cost is giving up on your liberal principles which is a huge cost in the long run. Just look around America and see how many victims of COVID have been left to fend for themselves with paltry assitance and insufficient medical insurance to see the consequences.

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