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    michael17
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    It would be a worthwhile exercise to study the history and evolution of religion to see if it worth the commitment. Here is a quick look at some of it. Christ was allegedly born of an immaculate virgin, died for mankind, arose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven. Buddha, who lived over 500 years before Jesus, was born of the Virgin Maya, which is the same as Mary. Maya conceived by the Holy Ghost, and thus Buddha was of the nature of God and man combined. Buddha was born on December 25, his birth was announced in the heavens by a star, and angels sang. He stood upon his feet and spoke at the moment of his birth; at five months of age he sat unsupported in the air; and at the moment of his conversion he was attacked by a legion of demons. He was visited by wise men, he was baptized, transfigured, performed miracles, rose from the dead, and on his ascension through the air to heaven, he left his footprint on a mountain in Ceylon (Sri Lanka). The Hindu Savior, Krishna, was born of a virgin 600 years before Christ. A star shone at his birth which took place in a cave. He was adored by cowherds who recognized his greatness, he performed miracles, was crucified, and is to come to judge the earth. Christ died for mankind,—so did Buddha and Krishna. Adonis, Osiris, Horus, and Tammuz, all virgin-born gods, were saviors and suffered death. Christ rose from the dead, so have Krishna and Buddha arisen from the dead and ascended into Heaven. So did Lao Kium, Zoroaster, and Mithra. A star shone in the sky at the births of Krishna, Rama Yu, Lao Tsze, Moses, Quetzalcoatl, Ormuzd, Rama, Buddha, and others. Christ was born of a virgin, so was Krishna and Buddha. Lao Tsze was also born of a virgin. Horus in Egypt was born of the Virgin Isis. Isis, with the child Horus on her knee, was worshiped centuries before the Christian era, and was appealed to under the names of “Our Lady,” “Queen of Heaven,” “Star of Heaven,” “Star of the Sea,” “Mother of God,” and so forth. Hercules, Bacchus, and Perseus were gods born by mortal mothers. Zeus, father of the gods, visited Semele in the form of a thunderstorm and she gave birth, on the 25th of December, to the great savior and deliverer, Dionysis. Mithra was born of a virgin, in a cave, on the 25th of December. He was buried in a tomb from which he rose again. He was called savior and mediator and sometimes figured as a lamb. Osiris was also said to be born about the 25th of December; he suffered, died, and was resurrected. Hercules was miraculously conceived from a divine father and was everywhere invoked as savior. Minerva had a more remarkable birth than Eve; she sprang full-armed from the brow of Jupiter. He did this remarkable feat without even losing a rib. The Chinese Tien, the holy one, died to save the world. In Mexico, Quetzalcoatl, the savior, was the son of Chimalman, the Virgin Queen of Heaven. He was tempted, fasted forty days, was done to death, and his second coming was eagerly looked for by the natives. The Teutonic Goddess Hertha, was a virgin, and the sacred groves of Germany contained her image with a child in her arms. The Scandinavian Goddess Frigga was a virgin who bore a son, Balder, healer and savior of mankind. When one considers the similarity of these ancient pagan legends and beliefs with Christian traditions then indeed the Devil must have been a very busy person to have caused these pagans to imitate for such long ages and in such widespread localities the Christian mysteries. Indeed, Edward Carpenter comments, “One has only, instead of the word ‘Jesus’ to read Dionysis or Krishna or Hercules or Osiris or Attis, and instead of ‘Mary’ to insert Semele or Devaki or Alcmene or Neith or Nona, and for Pontius Pilate to use the name of any terrestrial tyrant who comes into the corresponding story, and lo! the creed fits in all particulars into the rites and worship of a pagan God.” A legend stated that Plato, born of Perictione, a pure virgin, suffered an immaculate conception through the influences of Apollo (B.C. 426). The God declared to Ariston, to whom she was about to be married, the parentage of the child. St. Dominic, born A.D. 1170, was said to be the offspring of an immaculate conception. He was free from original sin and was regarded as the adopted son of the Virgin Mary. St. Francis, the compeer of St. Dominic, was born A.D. 1182. A prophetess foretold his birth; he was born in a stable; angels sang forth peace and good will into the air, and one, in the guise of Simeon, bore him to baptism. The Egyptian trinities are well known: thus, from Amun by Maut proceeds Khonso; from Osiris by Isis proceeds Horus; from Neph by Saté proceeds Anouké. The Egyptians had propounded the dogma that there had been divine incarnations, the fall of man, and redemption. Professor James T. Shotwell when speaking of paganism reminds us, “Who of us can appreciate antique paganism? The Gods of Greece or Rome are for us hardly more than the mutilated statues of them in our own museums; pitiable, helpless objects before the scrutiny and comments of a passing crowd. Venus is an armless figure from the Louvre; Dionysos does not mean to us divine possession, the gift of tongues, or immortality; Attis brings no salvation. But to antiquity the ‘pagan’ cults were no mockery. They were as real as Polynesian heathenism or Christianity to-day.” (James T. Shotwell: “The Religious Revolution of To-day.”) It is seen, therefore, that from time immemorial, man does not discover his gods, but invents them. He invents them in the light of his experience and endows them with capacities that indicate the stage of man’s mental development. Religion is not the product of civilized man. Man inherits his god just as he inherits his physical qualities. The idea of a supernatural being creating and governing this earth is a phantom born in the mind of the savage. If it had not been born in the early stages of man’s mental development, it surely would not come into existence now. History proves that as the mind of man expands, it does not discover new gods, but that it discards them. It is not strange, therefore, that there has not been advanced a new major religious belief in the last 1300 years. All modern religious conceptions, no matter how disguised, find their origin in the fear-stricken ignorance of the primitive savage. A Christian will admit that the gods of others are man-made, and that their creed is similar to the worship of the savage. He looks at their gods with the vision of a civilized being; but when he looks at his own god, he forgets his civilization, he relapses centuries of time, and his mental viewpoint is that of the savage.

    Christ rose physically and vacated the tomb despite  being  guard by Roman soldier. The reply would be, that’s part of the myth. Well myths are easy to right, how come other myths do not incorporate this element. Myth writers will only go so far to embellish the truth when thier are living witnesses.
    This account involves a Holy God with a strict morality that challenges the conscience. Why invent something that condemns the lying necessary to proliferate the belief?

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by  michael17.
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    #31576

    Unseen
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    It would be a worthwhile exercise to study the history and evolution of religion to see if it worth the commitment. Here is a quick look at some of it. Christ was allegedly born of an immaculate virgin, died for mankind, arose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven. Buddha, who lived over 500 years before Jesus, was born of the Virgin Maya, which is the same as Mary. Maya conceived by the Holy Ghost, and thus Buddha was of the nature of God and man combined. Buddha was born on December 25, his birth was announced in the heavens by a star, and angels sang. He stood upon his feet and spoke at the moment of his birth; at five months of age he sat unsupported in the air; and at the moment of his conversion he was attacked by a legion of demons. He was visited by wise men, he was baptized, transfigured, performed miracles, rose from the dead, and on his ascension through the air to heaven, he left his footprint on a mountain in Ceylon (Sri Lanka). The Hindu Savior, Krishna, was born of a virgin 600 years before Christ. A star shone at his birth which took place in a cave. He was adored by cowherds who recognized his greatness, he performed miracles, was crucified, and is to come to judge the earth. Christ died for mankind,—so did Buddha and Krishna. Adonis, Osiris, Horus, and Tammuz, all virgin-born gods, were saviors and suffered death. Christ rose from the dead, so have Krishna and Buddha arisen from the dead and ascended into Heaven. So did Lao Kium, Zoroaster, and Mithra. A star shone in the sky at the births of Krishna, Rama Yu, Lao Tsze, Moses, Quetzalcoatl, Ormuzd, Rama, Buddha, and others. Christ was born of a virgin, so was Krishna and Buddha. Lao Tsze was also born of a virgin. Horus in Egypt was born of the Virgin Isis. Isis, with the child Horus on her knee, was worshiped centuries before the Christian era, and was appealed to under the names of “Our Lady,” “Queen of Heaven,” “Star of Heaven,” “Star of the Sea,” “Mother of God,” and so forth. Hercules, Bacchus, and Perseus were gods born by mortal mothers. Zeus, father of the gods, visited Semele in the form of a thunderstorm and she gave birth, on the 25th of December, to the great savior and deliverer, Dionysis. Mithra was born of a virgin, in a cave, on the 25th of December. He was buried in a tomb from which he rose again. He was called savior and mediator and sometimes figured as a lamb. Osiris was also said to be born about the 25th of December; he suffered, died, and was resurrected. Hercules was miraculously conceived from a divine father and was everywhere invoked as savior. Minerva had a more remarkable birth than Eve; she sprang full-armed from the brow of Jupiter. He did this remarkable feat without even losing a rib. The Chinese Tien, the holy one, died to save the world. In Mexico, Quetzalcoatl, the savior, was the son of Chimalman, the Virgin Queen of Heaven. He was tempted, fasted forty days, was done to death, and his second coming was eagerly looked for by the natives. The Teutonic Goddess Hertha, was a virgin, and the sacred groves of Germany contained her image with a child in her arms. The Scandinavian Goddess Frigga was a virgin who bore a son, Balder, healer and savior of mankind. When one considers the similarity of these ancient pagan legends and beliefs with Christian traditions then indeed the Devil must have been a very busy person to have caused these pagans to imitate for such long ages and in such widespread localities the Christian mysteries. Indeed, Edward Carpenter comments, “One has only, instead of the word ‘Jesus’ to read Dionysis or Krishna or Hercules or Osiris or Attis, and instead of ‘Mary’ to insert Semele or Devaki or Alcmene or Neith or Nona, and for Pontius Pilate to use the name of any terrestrial tyrant who comes into the corresponding story, and lo! the creed fits in all particulars into the rites and worship of a pagan God.” A legend stated that Plato, born of Perictione, a pure virgin, suffered an immaculate conception through the influences of Apollo (B.C. 426). The God declared to Ariston, to whom she was about to be married, the parentage of the child. St. Dominic, born A.D. 1170, was said to be the offspring of an immaculate conception. He was free from original sin and was regarded as the adopted son of the Virgin Mary. St. Francis, the compeer of St. Dominic, was born A.D. 1182. A prophetess foretold his birth; he was born in a stable; angels sang forth peace and good will into the air, and one, in the guise of Simeon, bore him to baptism. The Egyptian trinities are well known: thus, from Amun by Maut proceeds Khonso; from Osiris by Isis proceeds Horus; from Neph by Saté proceeds Anouké. The Egyptians had propounded the dogma that there had been divine incarnations, the fall of man, and redemption. Professor James T. Shotwell when speaking of paganism reminds us, “Who of us can appreciate antique paganism? The Gods of Greece or Rome are for us hardly more than the mutilated statues of them in our own museums; pitiable, helpless objects before the scrutiny and comments of a passing crowd. Venus is an armless figure from the Louvre; Dionysos does not mean to us divine possession, the gift of tongues, or immortality; Attis brings no salvation. But to antiquity the ‘pagan’ cults were no mockery. They were as real as Polynesian heathenism or Christianity to-day.” (James T. Shotwell: “The Religious Revolution of To-day.”) It is seen, therefore, that from time immemorial, man does not discover his gods, but invents them. He invents them in the light of his experience and endows them with capacities that indicate the stage of man’s mental development. Religion is not the product of civilized man. Man inherits his god just as he inherits his physical qualities. The idea of a supernatural being creating and governing this earth is a phantom born in the mind of the savage. If it had not been born in the early stages of man’s mental development, it surely would not come into existence now. History proves that as the mind of man expands, it does not discover new gods, but that it discards them. It is not strange, therefore, that there has not been advanced a new major religious belief in the last 1300 years. All modern religious conceptions, no matter how disguised, find their origin in the fear-stricken ignorance of the primitive savage. A Christian will admit that the gods of others are man-made, and that their creed is similar to the worship of the savage. He looks at their gods with the vision of a civilized being; but when he looks at his own god, he forgets his civilization, he relapses centuries of time, and his mental viewpoint is that of the savage.

    Christ rose physically and vacated the tomb despite being guard by Roman soldier. The reply would be, that’s part of the myth. Well myths are easy to right, how come other myths do not incorporate this element. Myth writers will only go so far to embellish the truth when thier are living witnesses. This account involves a Holy God with a strict morality that challenges the conscience. Why invent something that condemns the lying necessary to proliferate the belief?

    So, where you went to school, they didn’t teach paragraphing in English class. It helps guide the reader through your thought process and makes it easier to find where they left off if their attention is momentarily diverted. Putting up a block of text like this is just rude.

    #31577

    michael17
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    @unseen,

    I’m more concern that I did not proof read my little commentary on Reg’s post. However I quoted it as it was posted.

    #31578

    Unseen
    Participant

    @unseen, I’m more concern that I did not proof read my little commentary on Reg’s post. However I quoted it as it was posted.

    It’s a flaw of this software that it strips out paragraph spacing (mods, is there a setting for this?). Still, it’s entirely possible to go in and reparagraph. I don’t know who is going to plow through all of that, but I’m opting out.

    #31579

    Please view my original post which I was careful to edit. It may still be TLTR but it is relevant to the topic.

    Yes, sometimes posting what you see in (say) MS Word is not what you get when pasted into WordPress.

    #31580

    _Robert_
    Participant
    • I’m afraid that you have succumb to commentary that defy the obvious time markers of prophecy. Rebuilding of Gods Temple has always been the most significant events beyond the coming of Christ. The Temple was prophesied to be destroyed twice and to be rebuilt twice. The second coming has always been after rebuilding of the Temple and after the second captivity. This is shown in Daniel, Ezekiel and Isaiah. I strongly advice you to desist your campaign of discrediting scripture without doing your homework and trusting a handful of commentaries or at least bounce it off of Reg first. He is very knowledgeable.

    You are the one predicting the end of the world, are you not? You know…earthquakes and plagues.  You are yearning for it. It’s what you want. Sorry man, ain’t gonna happen for you. It is a detestable world view. I did ALL my homework. That’s why I am an atheist.

    #31582

    michael17
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    • I’m afraid that you have succumb to commentary that defy the obvious time markers of prophecy. Rebuilding of Gods Temple has always been the most significant events beyond the coming of Christ. The Temple was prophesied to be destroyed twice and to be rebuilt twice. The second coming has always been after rebuilding of the Temple and after the second captivity. This is shown in Daniel, Ezekiel and Isaiah. I strongly advice you to desist your campaign of discrediting scripture without doing your homework and trusting a handful of commentaries or at least bounce it off of Reg first. He is very knowledgeable.

    You are the one predicting the end of the world, are you not? You know…earthquakes and plagues. You are yearning for it. It’s what you want. Sorry man, ain’t gonna happen for you. It is a detestable world view. I did ALL my homework. That’s why I am an atheist.

    Read more study more or at least talk to Reg. The simpletons  understanding scripture is as such.  But every valley shall be exhalted the crooked straight and the rough places. O thou which brings good tidings to Zion get thee up into the high mountain. The Lamb shall dwell with a Lion and a young child shall lead them. How beautiful for situation the joy of the whole earth is mount. Zion on the sides of the North city of the great king. All nation shall come up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles. etc. etc.

    Tbe structure of the millennial Temple is in Ezekiel. Christ and the martyrs shall reign from Jerusalem. We shall be a Kings and priests and reign upon the earth.

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    #31584

    _Robert_
    Participant

     

    ‘Only Gandalf had shaken his head and said nothing. Dwarves had not passed that way in many years, but Gandalf had and he knew how evil and danger had grown and thriven in the Wild, since the dragons had driven men from the lands, and the goblins had spread in secret after the battle of the Mines of Moria.’ ‘There is one stream there, I know, black and strong which crosses the path. You should neither drink of, nor bathe in; for I have heard that it carries enchantment and a great drowsiness and forgetfulness.

    #31586

    Unseen
    Participant

    Read more study more or at least talk to Reg. The simpletons  understanding scripture is as such.  But every valley shall be exhalted the crooked straight and the rough places. O thou which brings good tidings to Zion get thee up into the high mountain. The Lamb shall dwell with a Lion and a young child shall lead them. How beautiful for situation the joy of the whole earth is mount. Zion on the sides of the North city of the great king. All nation shall come up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles. etc. etc.

    Tbe structure of the millennial Temple is in Ezekiel. Christ and the martyrs shall reign from Jerusalem. We shall be a Kings and priests and reign upon the earth.

    Why should we pay more attention to the religion you believe that all the other ones who have gurus, saviors, resurrections, prognostications and prophecies?

    #31587

    @michael17 – I am reminded on a daily basis that there is plenty I will never know. I will ask Jon Snow to do up a list for me. He knows about the same as me.

    #31588

    michael17
    Participant

    @michael17 – I am reminded on a daily basis that there is plenty I will never know. I will ask Jon Snow to do up a list for me. He knows about the same as me.

    He’s truly a Targaryen and not just some run of the mill nights watchmen

    But Edward Snowden should be able to tell you if there any alien officers in Government 😃

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    #31590

    But Edward Snowden should be able to tell you if there any alien officers in Government……

    Well I don’t think that one is a State secret. I am pretty certain their leader goes by the Earthling name of Mitch. There are a few in government over here too as I cannot understand a word of what some of them utter. It is neither English, Gaelic or Klingon.

    #31591

    michael17
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    @Reg

    LOL 😆

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