The Mathematical Proof of God, The Holy Trinity

[_Robert_Participant]

I have noticed over the years the super culty christians end up on atheist sites sometimes because the more popular christian cults reject them so hard. There are more than 45,000 different christian religions worldwide. This must be because of the precise communication of a powerful god, lol.

The Greek gods are way more interesting. They came “down” here and had rough sex with humans. No need for a third party ‘holy spirit’ to do the job. Unfortunately, all these christians are going to meet Hades.

[King IykParticipant]

I will give a brief summary of The Proof presented above.

It begins by defining some concepts:

Trinity: A single God existing as three identical entities.
Trinity of Numbers: A single number existing as three identical entities.(e.g. 111,222,333)

A God revealed himself to be The Beginning and The End – (Revelation 22:13).
The same God revealed himself to be One(1) and a Trinity – 1 John 5:7
I employed the trinity of numbers to show that God to be the One True God(OTG) –

1      2345678     9(333)

God is The beginning(1) and He is The End 9(3 3 3)Trinity.

See the proof on the first post for full illustration.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

This “proof” is terrible. In fact, it is not proof of anything. At best you could call it an argument.

The concept of a “Trinity of Numbers” is arbitrarily invented and has no basis in theology, mathematics, or logic. Numbers like “111” or “333” are simply repeating digits and do not inherently carry any theological meaning.

Equating the theological concept of the Trinity (three persons in one God) with a sequence of numbers (e.g., “333”) is a False Equivalence Fallacy.  The Trinity is a nuanced doctrine with no logical connection to repeating digits.

Revelation 22:13 describes God as “the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.” This is an out of context citation. The verse is a metaphorical expression of your God’s eternal nature, not a reference to numbers.

1 John 5:7 (in some translations) mentions the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit as “one.” This theological statement cannot be used to support arbitrary numerical constructs like “1…333.”

Your eisegesis imposes external, invented meanings onto scripture rather than interpreting the texts in their historical and theological contexts. This demonstrates little or no proper training in Biblical Studies.

There is a complete lack of Logical Coherence in your argument.  The connection between the “beginning (1)” and “end (333)” is arbitrary and unexplained. Why is 333 chosen to represent “the end,” and why is it a “trinity” rather than just a repeating digit? Even worse is the Circular Reasoning Fallacy where your argument seems to assume what it is trying to prove—that God is somehow numerically represented by “1” and “333”— without providing any evidence or rationale.

Assigning spiritual or theological significance to numbers without a basis is a form of numerology, which is not a valid method of theological argumentation. If we choose different numbers (e.g., 7 for divinity, 888 for Jesus, etc.), our argument would be equally arbitrary. It is entirely subjective. There is no objective reason for choosing “1” and “333” over any other numbers.

Of course, we still have the problem of being given no definition of what you mean by term ‘god’, and like all theists, you have presupposed ‘his’ existence and assumed we know what you are referring to.

You also misrepresent the doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinity is not about “three identical entities” but rather three distinct persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) sharing one essence. This fundamental misunderstanding undermines your entire argument.

Your conclusion is flawed. Even if we accepted the premises (which is also flawed), there is no logical bridge to the conclusion that this proves the existence of the “One True God” or supports a specific theology. Your conclusion is asserted rather than demonstrated.

Your argument is an example of:

Misinterpreted scripture,

Arbitrary definitions,

Faulty analogies,

Lack of logical rigor,

A reliance on subjective numerology.

It’s not just weak — It’s incoherent. At best I will grant you that it is imaginative but it does not hold up under even the most basic scrutiny. The reasoning is entirely constructed on arbitrary associations and lacks any evidence or philosophical depth.

[_Robert_Participant]

Using numerology to have the babble prove itself does prove one thing; that apologists have zero credibility. They have nothing. At least the ‘faithful’ make an honest admission that they have nothing.

Proof of god would be a Nobel Prize type event. This meaningless numbers game will not be up for consideration.

[jakelafortParticipant]

The efforts to reconcile endless tiresome religious manifestations with the failure to appear, the failure to explain away science that contradicts the comic books, the failure to adumbrate future advances that authors would have no way to know, the failure to convince humanity as a block, the failure to engender anything rationally related to morality, the failure to create tolerance and compassion for ‘others’ against the backdrop of demanding faith is an exercise not only in futility but a pathetic unwinnable endeavor.

You are the creator of the universe and you generate humans in your image. You have all of the power. The only power. You know everything. Putting aside the logical conundrums associated with omnipotence and omniscience you are incapable of even approximating your objectives. And yet you could give those powers to any person and the rules book would be universal and not require metaphorical interpretation or divination into prophets, numerology or any other arcane tools to smooth out the rough edges and furnish the proof of concept that all humans would inexorably adopt. The biggest human bozzos would get the job done. It is all so boring.

[King IykParticipant]

The Trinity of numbers is well stated in the scriptures [Revelation 13:18]

1 is the beginning number and 9 is the last digit.

The Word of Testifies of The Proof.

• This reply was modified 9 months, 3 weeks ago by  King Iyk.

[King IykParticipant]

The Ways of God are distinct from the ways of Men. This believe that “numerology” cannot be used to prove God’s existent is unfounded and The Proof presented here proves that.

[_Robert_Participant]

King Iyk wrote:

The Ways of God are distinct from the ways of Men. This believe that “numerology” cannot be used to prove God’s existent is unfounded and The Proof presented here proves that.

You got a trinity of nothing, nothing, nothing. Not even a good try. 999 means this and 333 means that, LOL. Empty assertion means nothing.  The trinity is nonsense, and the babble doesn’t even use the term, LOL.  Your god is a Canaanite storm god that was conflated with top god El as in Isra-El. Go study some archaeological adult facts.

[_Robert_Participant]

Shall I make-up some numerology to show you Harry Potter is a real wizard? It’s too easy.

[JohanParticipant]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

Johan, nobody here as any ‘daddy issues’.

Interesting.  I had many when I was still a sinner.  My dad got angry at me and I at him.  He got irritated at me and I at him.  He got offended at me and I at him.   But after The Real Dad paid my sins and I was saved from them i could always just Love all.  I was saved from anger, irritations, offenses and all bad spirits.  And I entered everlasting Joy and Peace and Love for everyone always.    Even so much so that  I could take 13 bad kids into my house which was an old motor car garage of 3 by 5 meters and Love them even if they could not even be loved by their own fathers and mothers and family in their own houses because of the bad lives they lived in being into drugs, alcohol and sex.  For 10 years I created them till they could go back to their houses in being restores.   And after that Dad gave my a whole black township of 6000 black Xhosas.

 

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

Die antwoord might be Jesus for you but it makes no sense telling us here. We don’t believe in any god.

I know it does not make sense.  I don’t depend on it making sense.  I depend on it touching your soul.  That is where the Real Dad who died for all and you to save all from sins work.   And if not you then someone else reading here.  He never send me on an empty mission.  And if we don’t meet with them who got “touched” by Dad then I will show you this case in the afterlife.  Because everything is written up there.

[JohanParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

I have noticed over the years the super culty christians end up on atheist sites sometimes because the more popular christian cults reject them so hard.

You are right that I am rejected by all in my hometown where they even persecute me.  But that does not mean you are the “left overs”.  Dad Loves you too.   And in my persecution I really ministered Powerfully to those who persecute me.  So now it is your turn.   And of course all the other places I am on the internet.   Which is still some Christian sites and of course social media.  Except Facebook where the religious managed to get me banned.   But I am saved from being sinner and now it has no negative feelings in me.  Except it gives me the opportunity to enter all into God’s Grace in Forgiveness.  Where I walk “the second mile” with them all.

_Robert_ wrote:

There are more than 45,000 different christian religions worldwide. This must be because of the precise communication of a powerful god, lol.

Yep.  They were all naughty and is given over to slavery.  As He always did with Israel too.  When they were naughty.  A Loving Dad has to Discipline His “naughty Kids”.

_Robert_ wrote:

The Greek gods are way more interesting. They came “down” here and had rough sex with humans.

Yep. The religious are full of fantasies.

_Robert_ wrote:

Unfortunately, all these christians are going to meet Hades.

They are already there.

 

[JohanParticipant]

King Iyk wrote:

Trinity: A single God existing as three identical entities.

God is one Person only.  His name is Jehovah/Yahweh.  He was always the Savior and still is and always will be.

Isaiah 43:  8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.  9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the peoples be assembled: who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring their witnesses, that they may be justified; or let them hear, and say, It is truth.  10 Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.  11 I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour.  12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and I am God.  13 Yea, since the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who can hinder it?

[JohanParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Proof of god would be a Nobel Prize type event.

This is the heart of it all.   You have it or you don’t have it.

[JohanParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

the failure to convince humanity as a block, the failure to engender anything rationally related to morality, the failure to create tolerance and compassion for ‘others’ against the backdrop of demanding faith is an exercise not only in futility but a pathetic unwinnable endeavor.

I totally agree.  Christianity lost its Power it had in the Bible.   Just because of this lack of Proof in Compassion of God as Father.   And it boils down to the person witnessing.  Can you witness it or not.  If not you need to find the Living God of Compassion first and enter Living in His Love for all to see.  Without that you only have religion which is an “opinion” on God and worthless.

[JohanParticipant]

King Iyk wrote:

The Ways of God are distinct from the ways of Men. This believe that “numerology” cannot be used to prove God’s existent is unfounded and The Proof presented here proves that.

Jesus said the real sign is the sign of “Jonas” and not “numbers”.  Do you have any clue what that is about?

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