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    Yes, the intelligence of savants will not be easily measured. But you can learn to tell the week day of any date easily enough. It’s good fun.

    This is easy and fun? Not for most people, I’m sure.

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    jakelafort
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    Reg, what is your perception of the attitude of young’ns in Ireland towards Catholic Church. Any idea the percentage of young Irish Atheists?

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    On the surface it might appear that Ireland is still a Catholic country. But even the 2016 Census figures are skewed. We fought against that and should have a better set of questions included next time. It records that about 75% are Catholic but really that should read “cultural Catholic”. Many parents fill out the grid for their children and just tick “Catholic”. There is absolutely no way 75% of the Irish population attends church on a regular basis.

    I was in Church twice in 2018. If my experiences are indicative of Irish society in general then we are a nation of heretics, not just atheists. A wedding and a funeral. Two atheists got married in church to please both sets of parents. It was hilarious as nobody knew any words to the riddles and rhymes the priest expected us to know. It was almost embarrassing for the parents. When expected to respond to the prayers I just mumbled the lyrics to “Killing in the Name” under my breath. This caught on and a few more joined in. This was noticed by the teenagers and kids who almost high five’d us.

    We were told to be solemn at the funeral of my delightfully degenerate and debauched friend. Again, only there as his siblings were not happy with Sky Burials but with Irish crows instead of vultures.  It was one of his dying wishes just to annoy them. “But its still my body man and the poor crows gotta eat just as the worms do” (to paraphrase the Outlaw Josey Wales) His family were not having any of it!  Sit, Kneel. Stand, rinse and repeat. But everyone was just guessing which move was next so it was almost a Monty Python sketch in the making. For the Our Father I recited a poem by Jim Morrison called “Awake” as my friend rolled one for later. Afterwards we celebrated his life in the manner he would have approved of. And on the third day we made it home……

    I used to help man a street table for Atheist Ireland. I took it to new towns and cities around the country to get it established there. The only hassle we had was from Ultra Catholics. Ultra because they tend to get frenzied when challenged to “please stop shouting so we can have a civil conversation”. But no, they are into their gnashing of teeth in this life. They never seem to smile. Maybe it’s because their rosary beads are tied too tightly to their crotch. Evangelicals and Muslims are OK as Atheist Ireland represent their grievances about Catholic privilege at the UN for them too😊

    What made me happiest was the number of young people in the 12 to 18 age bracket who would discuss atheism with me. They were all atheists but did not identify as such in the way I might. I am very happy with this because religion means nothing to them. They have never had to use the term atheist as a descriptor because they never needed to. They will openly admit to having no religious faith but maybe don’t see a need to explain they don’t believe in gods because they know hardly anything about them. I remember once a girl, maybe only 13 years old, asked me how she should tell her parents that she does not believe “any of it”. She explained herself so well that my only advice to her was to repeat what she had said to me, to them. She was so articulate and her arguments so well-reasoned that I knew she had given it a lot of thought. As her mother approached the table, she shot me a look of “don’t say a word”. Her mother was staring at me and smiling. I knew that she knew what we had discussed but that was good because she had raised a child to think for herself and come to atheism by herself, just like her mother had, only a lot sooner.

    We were breaking down the table at that point and I invited them both to join us for brunch in a local hotel. They did and the girl was really happy. She spoke of how all her friends, every one of them, were atheists and explained why. Then I noticed her mother was beaming when she saw how happy we were listening to her daughter. She is the new Ireland.

    A few months later (May 2015) we became the first country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage though a public referendum. Thousands of young people came home from every corner of the planet to vote. They too are the new Ireland.

    I am not sure of what percentage of them are atheists but the vast majority are non-religious. It reminds me of the line in Terminator 2, “How many police are outside”? “Hmm, all of them I think”.

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    Reg, what is your perception of the attitude of young’ns in Ireland towards Catholic Church. Any idea the percentage of young Irish Atheists?

    Here in the States, it’s the evangelical Protestants who are the big problem. American Catholics, generally, ignore a lot of the Holy Sees proscriptions.

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    Yes, I have noticed that on my travels, especially in the Deep South, my favorite part of the US, though I was about to move for a while to rural California before Covid hit. Not sure about that anymore….

    This year could be interesting with the Evangelical Protestants who I suspect will once again try their hand at a reformation as it is the 500 year anniversary of Martin Luther Diet of Worms.   Just as well he wasn’t in the town of Fucking at the time as I would be a very skinny protestant.

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    Thanks Reg.

    Nice to read something positive in terms of good trends.

    I have a friend in rural No. California and the terrain is spectacular but the people are overwhelmingly and spectacularly religious and fundamentalist at that.

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    I would have stayed in Mendocino for a while. None of my friends there are religious but I do get about taken aback by their political views at times. On my first day there we found a mountain lion (or maybe it was a bobcat) caught in a “humane” trap on the farm. We returned it in a pickup to the mountains. Not what I had expected to do in my first few hours in CA. But I would happily live there for the scenery alone, but with Georgia on my mind…It reminded me a bit of West Cork, in Ireland.

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    jakelafort
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    I see the similarity. West Cork and Mendocino are competing for earth porn status. Inland, the Sierras are so damn lovely.

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    _Robert_
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    I went to Catholic grade school and our teachers were almost all Irish nuns. We could barely understand them when they got mad and started yelling and so you couldn’t comply. Then they would start whacking you with a yardstick or a pointer stick, or this eraser extender that looked a bit like a ‘selfie stick’. It was funny because the more upset they got, the harder it was to comprehend their instructions….you didn’t know what the hell they were saying, and then you have this positive feedback loop headed to infinity. They were rotated back and forth from somewhere in Ireland because there was not a lot of success in recruiting American girls, but they sure tried. We had some “brothers” too who dressed like it was the middle ages. The whole experience sent me looking for truth later in life despite all of the indoctrination I had suffered.

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    jakelafort
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    If the Catholic Church is going to die what will become of the aspiring molesters, abusers, deviants, freaks, and assorted neerdowells and tatterdemailions?

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    Davis
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    They become Buddhist hippies preying on children in Thailand, or they become men’s rights activists or “proud boys” or they become flat-Earthers or they join ISIS or they blow up a Mosque or hopefully they see the light and reform their ways (LMAO).

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    Thanks Reg. Nice to read something positive in terms of good trends. I have a friend in rural No. California and the terrain is spectacular but the people are overwhelmingly and spectacularly religious and fundamentalist at that.

    The problem with evangelicals is that, much as they hate Muslims, they have a nasty similarity, which is that they won’t be happy until/unless all of society is structured in accord with their religion. No abortion, total suppression of LGBTQs, total support for Israel, bring back the death penalty, etc.

    If I had to choose, I’d rather live in a world predominantly Catholic than one predominantly evangelical.

    #36341

    jakelafort
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    I think it is safe to assume that the abuse of children at the hands of the Catholic Church was far worse in past centuries than it is presently.

    I recommend a movie. Spotlight If’n ya aint seen it ya might wanna.

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