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[UnseenParticipant]

WATCH: Nearly 500,000 Israelis rally for the release of the hostages in Tel Aviv

Nearly half a million Israelis gathered in Hostages Square and the surrounding streets of Tel Aviv on Sunday, demanding the immediate release of hostages held in the Gaza Strip and a comprehensive deal to end the war.

The mass rally followed a day of nationwide strikes and road blockages, with businesses across the country shuttered in solidarity with the hostages’ families. The demonstration was organized by the Hostages and Missing Families Forum.

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[jakelafortParticipant]

Am not in any way negating or minimizing the significance of Trump as a criminal. But when i ask myself why his transgressions are so infuriating i think it is because his dalliances with our democracy threaten our institutions, our norms and our values. (They also illustrate how painfully stupid a significan minority of Americans are in electing him not once but twice.)

Concomitantly the ardent defenders of our way of life are sucking face and copping a feel with an institution and ideas that threaten our institutions, norms and values. If you care about equality before the law, are opposed to racism, opposed to discrimination against women and LGBT you can’t have it both ways.

Apart from the frank diminution in reasoning that occurs when a person is indoctrinated into an ideology (this is as true for Magas as it is lefties) there is another and complementary explanation for living with the painful contradiction aforementioned.

We make the mistake of positing free will in our ‘choices’ as to whether we will be Hindus, Jains, atheists or Christians. Whether we will be slave holders of yore, communists, Magas or Bundists. Once having ‘chosen’ our beliefs we identify so fully that exposing the contradictions, absence of reason and harmful consequences we rationalize, deny or discredit. We engage in endless confirmation of our beliefs to drown out the little man/woman inside who is saying, “wait are you sure about that?”

[PopeBeanieModerator]

jakelafort wrote:

The very same who will obssess over Trump for crimes he has committed are the very same who will obssess over Israel for crimes it has not committed. And those same people will disregard the crimes of other nations and fight to preserve the right of 1 billion male Muslims to commit crimes.

For what it’s worth, your generalization doesn’t apply to me.

I did mention once that some of Israel’s actions have the same outcomes as war crimes, but I don’t obsess over them, except for the Palestinian children who have no say.

Even then, cold objectivity leads me to concluding that there has never been an effectively humane solution, such that even a huge asteroid wiping out that area naturally, i.e. sans human intervention, could have been better for humanity.

And easier for outsiders to accept. (How cold is that?)

[StregaModerator]

PopeBeanie  Even then, cold objectivity leads me to concluding that there has never been an effectively humane solution, such that even a huge asteroid wiping out that area naturally, i.e. sans human intervention, could have been better for humanity. And easier for outsiders to accept. (How cold is that?)

Wow Pope, that’s some statement. Is it cold?  Then the truth is sometimes cold.

[jakelafortParticipant]

A wider Scope for Mr. Pope:

For what it’s worth, your generalization doesn’t apply to me.

I did mention once that some of Israel’s actions have the same outcomes as war crimes, but I don’t obsess over them, except for the Palestinian children who have no say.

Even then, cold objectivity leads me to concluding that there has never been an effectively humane solution, such that even a huge asteroid wiping out that area naturally, i.e. sans human intervention, could have been better for humanity.

And easier for outsiders to accept. (How cold is that?)
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I would hope and expect my generalization does not apply to you! When we take exception to aspects of our ideology we resist the pull of becoming ideologues. Not as easily manipulated are those who resist.

I suggest you resist the impulse of drawing conclusions that result in labels until the dust has cleared. And then have clear definitions for those labels.

An asteroid more powerful than the poison of Islam? More powerful than the poison of nazism? More powerful than the poison of the far left?

Unless the asteroid took out humanity you’d encounter the same issues when the asteroid came to rest.

The humane solution is the attack against the myriad poisonous ideas and beliefs. It is the exposure of human nature and how we as humans are essentially acted upon by external influences such that the masses have zero control over their religion/ideology. It is the germination of a movement that makes human rights paramount without injecting politics/ideology. A movement that seeks the betterment of civilization, the insanity of continuing in the same vein without challenging the ease with which humans go to war etc. Developing new protocols and norms that once accepted expose the insanity of the way civilization has proceeded for far too long.

Therefore we would teach history as it is not aesthetically as the far left presents it. The mythology and dubious historicity of Palestinianism/left would be exposed. The west being complicit in the project to delegitimize Israel would be exposed. The perpetual refugee status of Palestinians and the reasons would be exposed. The confluence of ideas that undermine Israel and perpetuate Jew hatred exposed. A comparitive history and the absence of any justification for the fixation over Israel and the concomitant rise and acceptance of open Jew hatred along with collective guilt in the mythology of the Pro Hamas group exposed. All religion would be taught critically. No more respect for faith. Teach the reality of the lives of people who are born into that shitstorm of Islam and the degenerate cultures it produces and the aims of it as a political institution. Examine in detail how the far left has turned its back on victims of Islamic brutality deliberately so that it is evident that the mythology/religion is more important to them than the welfare of victims of human rights violations.

We would insure that the education of Palestinians is real, not designed to continue the bloodshed. Teach the innocent kids that the incessant terrorism and war is a result of an ideology that has taken over the minds of the other generation. And yet they should not feel that they are lesser people. Instead they are just humans. Easily demonstrated hisotorically. Teach the kids that they have lost the war against Israel, that the goal was never the land that it was instead a religious war intended to deprive Jews of their ancestral homeland. Teach them that the obsession with Jews is a result of an inherited mind virus known as Islam that is backed by the far left. Teach them the truth about Jews and their history and how all minorities in Islamic lands have suffered great oppression and persecution as a direct result of the mind virus. And that the emergence or reemergence of Israel has caused jealousy and resentment that former dhimmis are ascendant.

FREE SPEECH.

Debates between foremost on both sides of the aisles. Oh and i should have added a history of the venal universities and how they hired terrorists and pseudo terrorists to perpetuate the unspeakable mythologies.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

PopeBeanie,

You are not alone in your thoughts, though others have broadened those thoughts to the USA and de facto globally:

Giant Meteor for President 2028
https://giantmeteorforpresident.com/about-giant-meteor/

Sweet Meteor of Death 2028
https://sweetmeteorofdeath.com/

I don’t know if these two are rivals, but Giant Meteor ran in 2024 (unsuccessfully.)

Only thing is there would be no victory party.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Following up on Pope’s cold calculations.

“Even then, cold objectivity leads me to concluding that there has never been an effectively humane solution, such that even a huge asteroid wiping out that area naturally, i.e. sans human intervention, could have been better for humanity.”

I naturally/kneejerkedly assume Pope is referring to Israel/Gaza or Israel/Palestine and the greater middle east v Israel. Correct me if i am wrong. A far greater problem and one that dwarfs the aforementioned is influence of Islam all over the middle east and beyond. Failing to see how detrimental Islam is to humans thriving or even living decent lives is a monumental miss. And that is without projecting the future consequences of Islam all over the world.

Those issues of Islam and Israel are inextricably linked. Seeing the issues surrounding Israel as so intractable that an asteroid Killing all of those innocents is the better solution is immensely cold and lacking in substance. It stems from the failure to have a proper perspective. Pope is not alone in the way he views civilization. I am. Although i am certain there is some tiny minority that sees things similarly.

The nazi, lefty, soviet, Islam derived Jew hatred mythology must be not only challenged but destroyed. Disintegrated so that anyone who champions the cause is viewed as willfully stupid or religiously driven. Thus my idea that has a 1 percent probability of completion in utilizing a story about Lezbrews to illustrate how disjointed, racist and inverted the narratives. You can superimpose any group you like. Slaves, gays or any formerly dehumanized group subject to unspeakable discrimination and persecution will do. Continuing the lies that lead to the minority group being subjected to more of the same is abject depravity. And then giving it the imprimatur of academia is everything that is most depressing in humanity. Write that book well and the “she was asking for it” mentality manifest and apparent to even the dullest wits.

Inculcate Palestinians to be better. It is achievable if we grasp the obvious. Humans are as a whole swept up by the rivers of belief that dominate their era. Peoples or populations have alterations in their riverbeds and when they do they change their beliefs and their behavior follows. Germans were almost exclusively and furiously Nazi supporting. Were Germans innately evil? Christians were… Is it necessary to illucidate this point with example after example?

This is the absolute perfect time to do the work. Gazans from what i gather have stopped supporting Hamas. If ever the destructive nature of the ideology of Hamas was to be exploited it is now. Or perhaps when the war ends. You can’t have UNWRA schools that teach kids that killing Jews is the greatest good and life’s ambition. You can’t bomb them with the lefty narratives. Not if you want to avoid acts of asteroids.

First generation of kids would not end the incessant conflicts. Yet it would be a good and necessary beginning. As generations passed the baton the river could be permanently altered for the betterment of those involved.

Not only is a decent education and one that is reality-based necessary but so is the dismantling of leftism. Take your White settler colonial apartheid genocide blah blah and shove it up your asteroid. Further it is necessary to have free speech and absolute intolerance for the protection of Islamic ideas. It is not acceptable that Muslims kill girls who have been raped. It is not acceptable that Islam produces so many Muslims. It is not acceptable that Muslims kill so many apostates or gays. It is not acceptable that Islam is so tied up with totalitarian governments. etc. Our values are superior to their’s. DUH.

Harsh criticism and freedom for individual Muslims to do as they please is absolutely necessary to have more moderate ideas take hold. The lefty protection of Islam as an idea is an enormous mistake. How will Islam ever evolve as things stand? Instead lefty’s are facilitating its expansion and that is of course a threat to the west but it is also an abandonment of so many Muslims who are suffering under the mind virus and minorities who are being persecuted. The protection also results in or is related to the failure to cover other conflicts and humanitarian crises. Leftism needs to be utterly discredited. Doing so fits into the “it’s not your fault” sentiment. We must abjure all of the bullshit. Instead start educating people all over the world in the history that demonstrates human commonality.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Enco, i think you will like this article.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-865304

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake,

Thanks, I’ll read that in greater depth soon. After initial disappointing encounters with AI, some good news is definitely welcome.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

A few other countries understand that A.I. should be discussed at a national level but Israel is already there.

Israel is way ahead in the field of A.I. and bio-engineering.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/cytoreason-announces-expanded-collaboration-deal-pfizer

https://www.quris.ai/technology

https://www.insideprecisionmedicine.com/news-and-features/veracyte-adds-ai-driven-mrd-testing-capabilities-with-c2i-genomics-acquisition/

https://collplant.com/

https://www.weizmann.ac.il/WeizmannCompass/sections/features/going-all-in-on-ai

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

ChatGPT is 1000 days old today……

[jakelafortParticipant]

Seems like an Israeli index fund might be a good bet.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Seems like an Israeli index fund might be a good bet..

As close to a “sure thing” as you will get. Buy share in companies working in the Bio and AI sector. All future medicine will be in genetics, DNA adaptations and organ transplant advances.

https://greekreporter.com/2025/08/26/pig-lung-transplant/

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Reg and Jake:

I’ll trust a Secular Israeli Medical AI before I’ll trust Peter Thiel’s:

Why the tech gods of Silicon Valley have turned to Christianity
Peter Thiel is among the tycoons touting their faith and messianic attitude — while building ‘superintelligence’ has prompted deep philosophical questions
Louisa Clarence-Smith
, US Business Editor
Tuesday August 26 2025, 3.35pm BST, The Times
https://www.thetimes.com/us/business/article/why-tech-gods-silicon-valley-turned-christianity-72gnb9cpg

At least a Secular Israeli Medical AI would tell me that:

While Maimonides prescribed Chicken Soup for Emperor Saladin’s common cold, that was folk medicine for their time. This medical facility only has Chicken Soup as a tasty side to the Brisket Bagel and Tabbouleh platter.

For diabetic foot wounds, there is a nanotech anti-pathogen fighter bot which works simultaneous with stem cell tissue replication and replacement. The bot expels out as cells fill in the ulcer to preclude any chance of infection.

Prices for service are on the sign above the Nurse’s desk with cash or all debit cards accepted. For safety reasons, no $100 Bills.

Thiel’s Palantir Medical AI might tell me that:

Sol 3 is nothing but a vale of tears. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Then require payment by PayPal, which I have never been able to make work to my satisfaction and which charged terrible fees, with a sea of voice mail as customer service.

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[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Reg:

All this time I thought pig’s lungs were only good for musical accompaniment for the Paul Henning “Hooterville” TV trilogy.

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