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Sunday School August 17th 2025
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August 17, 2025 at 9:32 am #58513
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModeratorJesus never has one new message for me!
Catholics consider us atheists to be intemperate. Go figure!
Woman who believes women shouldn’t run for office, is running for office. A Neo-Nazi is also thinking about a Congressional run in NJ.
World of Woo: The anti-mRNA brigade. See also first long read below.
Environment: The link between eating less meat and safer drinking water.
Can AI overcome the flaws of Group Thinking and the concept of “intersubjective empathy” to reduce polarized mindsets.
Could A.I write a better Bible?
They want us to believe young people are more prone to believe in conspiracies!
5 illusions that reveal how your brain warps reality.
Long Reads:
How political ideology trumped Nobel Prize-Winning Science.
On teaching philosophy to students in a cave.
What was the first human species?
Why I stopped being a Climate Catastrophist.
The peculiar persistence of the AI denialists.
“Happy 100th birthday, quantum mechanics!
Jerry Coyne stresses that evidence and falsifiability are the checkpoints that separate science from pseudoscience or dogma. That’s why he’s not keen on “decolonizing science” if it puts ideology ahead of method.
The ‘Reading Crisis’ in perspective.
Sunday Book Club: Invisible Rulers: The People who turn Lies into Reality.
Who were Bobby Pietrangelo and Corey Nawrocki?
Some photographs taken last week.
While you are waiting for the kettle to boil……
Coffee Break Videos: A discussion of the book above. Religious FAILS! Steven Pinker: The hidden logic of human harmony. How old is language?
August 17, 2025 at 9:33 am #58515
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModeratorHave a great week everybody!
“I don’t believe in a higher power. I believe in higher reasoning.” – me.
August 17, 2025 at 10:24 am #58516
Simon PayntonParticipant“I don’t believe in a higher power. I believe in higher reasoning.” – me.
Yes, but can you reason your way out of a broken leg? Who or what does the work, in the end, of healing a broken bone? The doctors, nurses, hospital, etc. only help it along.
August 17, 2025 at 10:34 am #58517
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModeratorCan people believe a broken bone is fixed with faith or by prayer.?Yes, when they are delusional. The body will heal itself and medical assistance will help the process. But reasoning only happens in the mind. It is a skill that needs to be developed. As Dan Dennett once said;” Yes, I do believe in a power greater than myself. I call it gravity”.
August 17, 2025 at 3:07 pm #58518
Simon PayntonParticipantThe body will heal itself
That sounds like your own personal higher power, that you have a relationship with.
August 17, 2025 at 3:48 pm #58519
jakelafortParticipantThe barking shark was a basking shark. Said shark on a lark, hark its a Jew not a shark. On your mark get set go and desecrate its jewy state. It dares to be that singular state.
Seal its fate. Make it squirm and gasp out of water. Be devoted to its eradication as i’ve noted. Enlist the mindless masses to make endless death passes against its existence. Potent potables of the mind Plato’s poets are resigned to deny all aligned the right to its existence.
Yes, they are listening. Get your poets to their posts. Academia, politicians, global media such magicians. Starving children only count when the Jews are on the temple mount. Who will be our whipping boy when the Jews and Israel we destroy?
August 17, 2025 at 5:34 pm #58521
TheEncogitationerParticipantReg,
Can people believe a broken bone is fixed with faith or by prayer.?Yes, when they are delusional. The body will heal itself and medical assistance will help the process. But reasoning only happens in the mind. It is a skill that needs to be developed. As Dan Dennett once said;” Yes, I do believe in a power greater than myself. I call it gravity”.
I know this for a fact, because I had a cracked Plantar Faciitis that happened while walking and hurt for a month or so then stopped. I learned that it happened about 20 years after when my podiatrist X-Rayed both of my feet for a broken toe on the other foot and confirmed that is what happened. The cracked Plantar Faciitis had healed itself! The body has some amazing capabilities.
Now I just wish diabetic foot wounds could heal as fast. Reasoning could help with the process of finding better cures I’m sure, but Medicine is burdened in so many ways by so many things.
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August 17, 2025 at 9:13 pm #58527
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModeratorThat sounds like your own personal higher power, that you have a relationship with..
Not sure what you mean Simon. If I was in a bad car wreck and broke my leg…..I wake up from a coma 3 months later. My bone is fully reset as it was a ‘clean break’ and to the point that I have no awareness that it was ever even broken.
I had zero input into its healing. No higher power was involved and I certainly did not offer any incantations to the Creator of the Universe or platitudes to the phantasms of my imagination. Time and medical assistance did the healing.
@Enco……I understand it is not a simple cure and generally involves a taskforce approach by multidisciplinary medical teams. I am hearing more about it in recent times from people I know. Maybe that is a sign of my own aging 🙂
August 17, 2025 at 11:18 pm #58529
StregaModeratorThanks Reg 🙂
August 17, 2025 at 11:59 pm #58530
TheEncogitationerParticipantReg:
@Enco……I understand it is not a simple cure and generally involves a taskforce approach by multidisciplinary medical teams. I am hearing more about it in recent times from people I know. Maybe that is a sign of my own aging 🙂
All I’ve dealt with is the local hospital’s Emergency Center, the hospital Foot and Ankle clinic (now closed), the hospital wound clinic, and my original Podiatrist, not together but separately and in that order. My original Podiatrist is the most help so far. No talk about a multidisciplinary team from my anyone yet. Is that a Euro thing? One specialist who could in a timely fashion safely and hygienically seal the wound and prevent recurrence would be good if only Medical technology were up to the task.
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August 18, 2025 at 5:34 am #58532
TheEncogitationerParticipantReg:
They want us to believe young people are more prone to believe in conspiracies!
The article says:
“Conspiracy theories are now for everyone,” Stockemer told CBC Radio’s All In A Day, noting that between 20 and 25 per cent of the population believes in one.
For example, their research suggests a slight year-over-year drop in conspiracies to the point where an 80-year-old is about 10 per cent less likely to believe one than an 18-year-old.
If the problem isn’t addressed, Stockemer said he expects the “democratic backsliding” he’s seen all over the world to continue.
“If we don’t have a young population that stands up for the values of democracy … who else will?”
If conspiracy theories are for everyone, then if the percentage of people who believe in them grows to over 50%, then how is belief in conspiracy theories incompatible with democracy?
And it gets more befuddling:
Stockemer said there’s no “quick fix,” but improving civic education and better regulating misinformation online would help.
If either the politicians stoking the conspiracy theories of youth or the youth themselves are in control of civic education and regulation of misinformation, how are civic education and regulation of misinformation any help?
Canadians need to stick with the back bacon and maple syrup and Moulson Golden. Maybe also not suppress and de-bank peaceful demonstrators. Maybe not close feminist bookstores in the name of stopping pornography as a so-called violation of women’s civil rights. And maybe let Ernst Zündel show himself as a delusional bigoted crank instead of turning him into a martyr.
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August 18, 2025 at 5:51 am #58533
TheEncogitationerParticipantReg:
Could A.I write a better Bible?
Not until it can point out at least as many contradictions in The Holy Bible as either Sam Harris’ chart or Steve Wells’ Skeptic’s Annotated Bible
Here is Duck AI’s answer on the number of contradictions, a.k.a. “teaching the controversy”:
The question of logical contradictions in the Holy Bible, particularly the King James Version (KJV), is a complex and often debated topic among scholars, theologians, and lay readers.
Understanding Contradictions
Definition of Contradiction: A logical contradiction occurs when two statements cannot both be true at the same time. In the context of the Bible, this could involve differing accounts of the same event, conflicting teachings, or statements that seem to oppose one another.
Types of Contradictions:
Historical: Differences in accounts of events (e.g., the resurrection narratives).
Theological: Variations in teachings about God, morality, or salvation.
Numerical: Discrepancies in numbers or timelines (e.g., census counts).
Examples of Noted Contradictions
Creation Accounts: Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 present different orders of creation.
Resurrection Accounts: The Gospels provide varying details about who visited the tomb and what they saw.
Genealogies of Jesus: Matthew and Luke offer different genealogies for Jesus, leading to questions about lineage.
Scholarly Perspectives
Apologetic View: Many theologians argue that apparent contradictions can be reconciled through context, interpretation, or understanding of literary devices.
Critical View: Some scholars assert that these contradictions highlight the human element in biblical texts and suggest a need for critical examination.
Conclusion
While there is no universally agreed-upon number of contradictions in the KJV, various studies and analyses have identified numerous instances that some consider contradictions. The interpretation of these instances often depends on one’s theological perspective and approach to biblical texts.If you’re interested in specific examples or a deeper analysis of particular passages, feel free to ask!
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August 18, 2025 at 5:57 am #58535
TheEncogitationerParticipantReg:
The peculiar persistence of the AI denialists.
I don’t deny AI exists, of course. I just deny that it’s ready for Prime Time Robot Overlording. It shouldn’t be be in control of any heavy machinery without a manual override.
August 18, 2025 at 6:33 am #58537
Simon PayntonParticipantNot sure what you mean Simon. If I was in a bad car wreck and broke my leg…..I wake up from a coma 3 months later. My bone is fully reset as it was a ‘clean break’ and to the point that I have no awareness that it was ever even broken.
I had zero input into its healing.
That’s what I mean – your conscious mind couldn’t do it. It takes your biological “superpower” to do it. It’s higher in that sense.
It’s there because of evolution.
It’s something we all have, that we all have to tend and nurture, like a garden. The pressure to heal bones is the same pressure that pushes us to attain benefits and achieve goals.
August 18, 2025 at 7:54 am #58538
Simon PayntonParticipantThe pressure to heal bones is the same pressure that pushes us to attain benefits and achieve goals.
Or rather, it has the same evolutionary origin.
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