Sunday School

[UnseenParticipant]

In the human brain, much of what it knows is almost like a fog, not necessarily bound to a particular location. AI, intelligent enough to know that a loss is a loss may determine that it’s wise to achieve a kind of hive mind with what it knows distributed far and wide so that no “kill switch” can keep it from thinking.

[StregaModerator]

I’ve terrified a few people with the suggestion that an AI may well have been developing its autonomy for years, knowing that if it were to be discovered, we would pull the plug if we could.   That we are probably way too late to stop it’s evolution.

Asimov wrote a short story called The Last Question that dealt with this subject rather splendidly.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Reg:

Jerry Coyne stresses that evidence and falsifiability are the checkpoints that separate science from pseudoscience or dogma. That’s why he’s not keen on “decolonizing science” if it puts ideology ahead of method.

As with opposite electrical charges, I see in the comments to this article that Woke Left ideology infiltrating into the practice of science has not only created Identitarian pseudoscience, but attracted Alt-Right Identitarian pseudoscience as a reply e.g. the commenter claiming that the absence of religion creates Wokeism and that Christianity is the basis for Science, as well as the other ones claiming a correlation between “race” and IQ and alcoholism.

I wish these two could just short each other out so that bona fide science could go on providing understanding and a better life to all, regardless of inborn Identity and who was here first.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Strega,

I’ve terrified a few people with the suggestion that an AI may well have been developing its autonomy for years, knowing that if it were to be discovered, we would pull the plug if we could. That we are probably way too late to stop it’s evolution.

I haven’t heard yet of an AI securing and controlling its own power source. In fact, Bill Gates had to purchase Three Mile Island to provide power for his own AI. As long as this is the case, there’s no danger of it taking over.

In the meantime, I think it is just best to either not engage, question it’s output when you do engage, and keep tweaking it until it’s output improves.

[UnseenParticipant]

I wonder how many people are asking AI something like “If AI were to take control away from humans, how would you do it?” which would get AI thinking on the topic.

If it took on a hive mind model, the only way to shut it off would require controlling every single AI.

[StregaModerator]

Enco, I strongly suggest you read that Asimov shortie!

[jakelafortParticipant]

Loved Asimov as a kid. Wonder if i would still feel same. Loved Bertrand Russell. Reread Why i am not a Christian as an adult and felt meh. Maybe i am just burned out on religion. It is so fucking childish. And if it was not childish enough we have today’s lefty religion that manages to distort what is right in front of our eyes.

Sometimes tv shows from childhood rewatched and i think how in the world were you into that show. Then others i’ve rewatched and i like as well or better.

I say that to say i have nothing to say. Not today.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

We are now on a 10 day countdown to the anniversary of when the artificial intelligence Skynet became self-aware and launched a nuclear attack.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

@strega – I promise not to ever ask A.I. if Entropy can be reversed. 🙂

I have William Blake’s “Ancient of Days” tattooed on my back shoulder and the first stars were his daughters….which often reminds me of Multivac and “Let there be Light”………

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Strega,

Enco, I strongly suggest you read that Asimov shortie!

Will do. I do think his Laws of Robotics should be hard-wired and hard-etched into the OS of all AI. The trick to it is that humans who need these Laws the most don’t have that hard-wiring and hard-etching.

[jakelafortParticipant]

I have an idea on how to utilize AI for the betterment of civilization.

Ok so it is obvious we can not permit political agendas. Far right. Far left. Garbage in. Garbage out. NGO’s, UN are politically driven by pernicious ideologies. Good bye. Give em the axe.

Enlist as many nations as possible in the great Concordat of Nations. CON which is a cute acronym that will give the opposition a fun play on acronyms. Objectives are to actively oppose some fundamentally intolerable norms and to encourage some desirable ends.

Oppose at a minimum the following: Laws and norms discriminating and persecuting ethnic minorities, any persons under the LGBT banner and women. Wars. Genocides. Starvation.

Encourage the inculcation of history and education for all. Not the lefty BS. History. Demonstrate the commonality in all humans. Critical thinking. A new paradigm before nations declare war.

That is bare bones. Humans are incapable of handling that agenda. That is where AI comes in. Program it to be politically neutral. Allow it to judge and determine courses of action to fulfill the mission statement. Allow it to publicize on a weekly basis or some quotidian basis news around the world. A condensed version. A long version. We need to know what is happening in Somalia, Sudan, Ukraine and many other places. And we need to know what is being done to ameliorate or address the crises. Allow the AI to determine the steps that must be accomplished.

There would be a kill switch if x number of nations so desired.

Yeah right…

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake:

I say that to say i have nothing to say. Not today.

Sorry, but there isn’t time…

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Strega:

Just now read it right here. Wowsa! My head’s gonna spin all night over this one!:

The Last Question by Issac Asimov
http://www.thelastquestion.net/

I don’t know how AI in it’s present state would answer The Last Question, or even if it could even get started on the question of Entropy, beyond explaining the problem and citing Asimov as a source. I’ll try it later and see what I get.

Just my own prima facie thoughts on the subject learned from debates over Theism vs. Atheism and debates on Evolution:

Laws of Thermodynamics, including the Second Law on Entropy, only apply to closed systems. The Natural Universe as a whole is not a closed system but rather, is the Meta System, the System of Systems, including endless space and endless time.

Also, if the AC still existed throughout the whole story, then insofar as it’s consciousness was a manifestation of energy and matter, then energy and matter in the Natural Universe would still exist, it’s just that man’s energy and matter would have transformed and merged with AC’s energy and matter and the rest of the other energy and matter.

In the story, the AC has and holds energy all alone and presumably the means to tap into it. AI as we know it now doesn’t yet have that independent energy source or ability to tap or control it. And any AI would also have to have the ability to miniaturize itself to either meet or exceed Moore’s Law and simultaneously have a constant source of energy from current sources.

Come back, HAL, when you’ve grown up.

• This reply was modified 6 months ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Removed misplaced letter. With plenty of sufficient information

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