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[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

Was October 7, 2023 real? What have all of us been going back and forth on all this time?

Jake, you’ll really want to reconsider the Strawberry Fields stance. There are others who don’t mean well standing there in the patch too who want you there making fertilizer.

And “The Desiderata” works best in a Desiderata world with Desiderata people.

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[jakelafort]

Jake stops, pops & gives props to Enco.

You nailed the Desiderata out of that one. The presumption of God in that work is an error. Even so a generally good message is conveyed.

Took me a few seconds to decipher Strawberry Fields. I like that song and decided some time ago it is a stream of consciousness song. Even if it is not intended as such.

October 7 is real. The obsession with Israel and Jews i continue to maintain is reprehensible. A total scum move being on the lefty Jew hating side. Being there will aid in the continued hostilities. It will aid in the incessant wars, conflicts and genocides driven by religion. You are being totally played. You are a total moron to believe what you believe. I can go on and on ad nauseum!

That is the me who can’t help but see things on a personal level. I am doing what we all do-ascribing intention to the mindless indoctrination of mindless and readily influenced majorities. As long as our species continue to operate on that understandable and yet errant assumption prospects are grim. How can we or at least the true intellectuals fail to see how we are acted upon? It is so obvious to me. The identity politics, the demonizations, the otherings are a consequence of the free will world view.

[jakelafort]

In keeping with the theme of beliefs driving behavior and indoctrination driving beliefs check this out. Look how powerful the lefty BS is in driving acts of jew hatred. I am confident that the far right is going to be emboldened as time rolls on and the acceptance of collective Jew guilt is unchallenged.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-863105

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

I know that October 7 as well as time and events before and after it are all real. But you can’t say that and take your Strawberry Fields Metaphysical position:

No core beliefs about reality except nothing we would recognize as such exists. That is my gut talking.

And, as a side note, that Beatles song frightened me as a kid, even without the urban legend about burying Paul.

[jakelafort]

Enco,

I am not trippin man. I am questioning the implicit assumption that almost everyone seems to make about human behavior. It does not require an exhaustive examination of history to reach the conclusion that we are as easily led/trained/conditioned as our dogs. The vast majority are the antithesis of Reg. They form hardcore beliefs and those beliefs are so well entrenched that they are not easily abandoned.

In terms of the universe i am saying it is like an onion. The level of onion we are experiencing is i assume quite real. Getting to the bottom of things is quite possibly beyond our ken.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake and Fellow Unbelievers,

Cracks in the Big, Beautiful House of MAGA. Their paranoia, bigotry, and self-obliviousness have turned them upon each other:

Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens on Nick Fuentes: ‘Angry, Gay Kid Thing Going On’
Kathryn Wilkens
Aug 1st, 2025, 3:57 pm

Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens on Nick Fuentes: ‘Angry, Gay Kid Thing Going On’

And some comic relief in the Global, Multipolar Intifada:

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance
The progressive left has suddenly noticed that most British Muslims are not exactly woke.
Rakib Esan
Columnist

The hilarious breakdown of the Islamo-left alliance

[jakelafort]

Enco,

If you posit free will and a modicum of intelligence, say on the level of a border collie, how do you get to the point in which progressives are defending Islamism? Literally everything that progressives want to achieve, their values; Islam seeks to destroy.

So how do you get to the point where progressives are turning a blind eye to the rape of little girls, the institutional and cultural mandate to be a racist Jew hater, to deny women autonomy and even a little bit of protection under the law, to the demonization of gays and in some cases execution, to honor killings, to terrorism, to the intention to Islamise the world, to the ethnic cleansing all over the middle east of Jews, Christians, and ethnic minorities, to the apartheid of all Islamic nations? How?

I am not going to answer my own question yet. Ponder if you will.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

The crew in Mystery Science Theater 3000 had the idea that “The Desiderata” could be an action-packed comic book
graphic novel, as well as invented many children of their own comic Universe:

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[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

That is the me who can’t help but see things on a personal level. I am doing what we all do-ascribing intention to the mindless indoctrination of mindless and readily influenced majorities. As long as our species continue to operate on that understandable and yet errant assumption prospects are grim. How can we or at least the true intellectuals fail to see how we are acted upon? It is so obvious to me. The identity politics, the demonizations, the otherings are a consequence of the free will world view.

Here’s where you are most mistaken.

Free Will and individual responsibility, properly understood, precludes any idea of Original Sin, as well as the idea of one God/man taking the rap for the world’s sins, or the idea of one group of people taking the rap for that God/man’s death, not only at the time of the God/man’s death, but eternally through all future generations.

Christianity only shoe-horns in free will to attempt to wash God’s hands of His mistaken creation, which still doesn’t work, because man is supposed to be in the image and likeness of God, so if man had free will, shouldn’t God also?

Free will also means that normative/characterological traits are not a product of inheritance, but of learning, and although teaching is done by parents and predecessors, the learning part is ultimately a choice.

So free will is incompatible with the notion of innate ideas or reductionism like Astrology or Phrenology or Racism, such as found in the Nazi’s and predecessors’ racial Antisemitism.

Yes, we’re all bombarded on all sides with indoctrination, but shouldn’t the numbers of thousands of schisms, denominations, ideologies, and factions show that they don’t always take hold?

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

If you posit free will and a modicum of intelligence, say on the level of a border collie, how do you get to the point in which progressives are defending Islamism? Literally everything that progressives want to achieve, their values; Islam seeks to destroy.

So how do you get to the point where progressives are turning a blind eye to the rape of little girls, the institutional and cultural mandate to be a racist Jew hater, to deny women autonomy and even a little bit of protection under the law, to the demonization of gays and in some cases execution, to honor killings, to terrorism, to the intention to Islamise the world, to the ethnic cleansing all over the middle east of Jews, Christians, and ethnic minorities, to the apartheid of all Islamic nations? How?

I am not going to answer my own question yet. Ponder if you will.

Well, Progressives usually are control freaks on most subjects, so they might take a shine to a religion that equally controls most every aspect of life.

Also, Progressives can be Cultural Relativists, so to that extent, they wouldn’t want to interfere in barbarisms embraced by other societies, or really, barbarisms in our own society, since Cultural Relativists hold an amorphous “Society” as the determiner of right and wrong.

Also, maybe labels like “Progressive” and “Conservative” don’t really mean much. What are “Progressives” progressing towards and what are “Conservatives” trying to conserve? Without answering those questions, it’s anything goes.

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jakelafort wrote:

Hamas hostage looking like he is being cared for by Germans back in the day. The recreation of that day is something the lefty’s are working on. Those hostages are eating what we eat. And then ya see a great big fat arm on the Gazan. Does not matter how idiotic the Hamas propaganda because the international media will continue to be Hamas’ propaganda mouthpiece. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-863038

Not defending Hamas, Jake, but only asking how many wrongs make a right?

[jakelafort]

Enco,

E N C O and that rhymes with Aamco. My second case as an attorney i represented a franchisee of Aamco. Can recall climbing rickety wooden steps to his office and feeling inadequate as a fledgling. Also feeling i want the case/don’t want the case. In the land of the blind… Well he signed that retainer agreement. First case was a total asshole guy and it was a lemon law case. Literally we sat on a folded rug in a big office with no furnishings. I won that bitch and really earned that 500 bucks.

I say that to say with the greatest dismay it is a path i would not have chosen. ( yeah i could run with that line and poesize) I am not asking for a chose in action. Nor a time machine to go back and alter what has been determined. Just saying cut humanity slack. They, we, only humans. Animals all of us. Naked and afraid in the forest. Impermanence of our lives a constant background buzz. (this mofo BUZZ is the best of all possible onomatopoeia…how do you avoid saying it? buzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz…it is right up there with I am gonna kill the fuckin bear…say it…say it…but i digress…digression is the oxygen of intelligence. Gonna credit my brilliant dead uncle Lenny for that pearl.)

My use of free will in the context given is not religious, not directly related to physics, nor even philosophy. It is the notion that people whether they buy into free will or not treat others as though they have it. The vast majority fall into beliefs that they have no capability of resisting. Historically demonstrable with endless corroboration. Or just look at USA today. Or Islamic nations. And yet. AND YET. We posit choice. It feels so free to choose this or that in our lives. We assume others are choosing too.

The consequences of assuming free will in others as it relates to their beliefs/norms is disastrous. Lets take Muslim martyrs. Kids that their mothers are proud of for agreeing to die so that they can kill innocents for a cause they imagine is more important than their lives makes us look at those diehard Muslims as despicable. No wonder the lefties give us the utter BS of cultural relativism. No wonder they recoil when Islam is criticized. They assume THOSE people choose to be Muslims. And in doing so they want to retch, puke and devolve into paroxysms of disgust at the abomination.

[jakelafort]

The way lefties arrive at the indefensible?

It is not a product of reason. That is for sure.

It is a mythology. Beliefs. They didn’t reason their way into those positions and most are incapable of reasoning their way out. Again, is there anything so fucking stupid, retarded, degenerate, outlandish, improbable, transparent, juvenile that it will be eschewed?

On the right it is an appeal to authority. Still amazes me that Trump is a cult hero. Such charisma? They believe in him wholeheartedly. They surrendered. Had them at You’re fired.

On the left it is a veneer of intellectual superiority. The vast majority of humans simply do not question shit. Once those beliefs are cooked in and inseparable from identity it is not easy to dislodge the offal.

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@Jake

There’s nothing “indefensible” about believing it’s indefensible to use starvation as a political tool.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

The consequences of assuming free will in others as it relates to their beliefs/norms is disastrous. Lets take Muslim martyrs. Kids that their mothers are proud of for agreeing to die so that they can kill innocents for a cause they imagine is more important than their lives makes us look at those diehard Muslims as despicable. No wonder the lefties give us the utter BS of cultural relativism. No wonder they recoil when Islam is criticized. They assume THOSE people choose to be Muslims. And in doing so they want to retch, puke and devolve into paroxysms of disgust at the abomination.

Ackshuyally, Islam assumes that all humans are born in the state of Islam (submission to Allah) and, unless educated in Islam, humans move away from the state of Islam by a process of forgetting. That is why new Muslims are said to have reverted to Islam instead of converted.

Also, Leftists who are apologists for Islam speak as if Islam is an imborn “race” and Muslims are members of this “race” and not adherents to a consciously-held religion. Thus, criticizing Islam or even individual Muslims is taken by Leftists as Racist. (Note especially in Great Britain they refer to “Muslims” and “Whites” as two different groups, even though Muslims can be of any phenotype.)

As for children raised to become bomb-wearing Shaheedi, they genuinely do not have a choice, but those parents and Imams who indoctrinate children in hatred of unbelievers and life on Earth and teach them of illusory afterworlds of eternal reward and punishment do choose to teach them. Free will, of course, assumes a fully-developed cognitive apparatus.

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