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February 2, 2025 at 3:40 am #56046
The ideology of extremist Islam allows for terrorism and targeted assassination.
The ideology of the State of Israel allows for the subjugation and extermination of the Palestinians.
Not much to choose between them.
February 2, 2025 at 9:43 am #56048Hamas has expressed the aim of killing Jews in its founding charter and public statements. The original Hamas Charter of 1988 contained explicit antisemitic rhetoric, including references to the destruction of Israel and religious justifications for violence against Jews. Article 7 of the charter cited an Islamic Hadith about killing Jews. It did tone it down in 2017 and changed the wording from killing Jews to the elimination of Israel. But that is only saying the same thing in different words.
The ideology of the State of Israel is rooted in Zionism, which is the belief in the establishment and maintenance of a Jewish homeland.
“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.” I am paraphrasing there as I can’t remember who said that but I think the sentiment is correct.
February 2, 2025 at 1:57 pm #56053Hamas has expressed the aim of killing Jews in its founding charter and public statements. The original Hamas Charter of 1988 contained explicit antisemitic rhetoric, including references to the destruction of Israel and religious justifications for violence against Jews. Article 7 of the charter cited an Islamic Hadith about killing Jews. It did tone it down in 2017 and changed the wording from killing Jews to the elimination of Israel. But that is only saying the same thing in different words. The ideology of the State of Israel is rooted in Zionism, which is the belief in the establishment and maintenance of a Jewish homeland. “If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.” I am paraphrasing there as I can’t remember who said that but I think the sentiment is correct.
Yes. While the displacement of Arabs is recent history, the Jewish diaspora from their original homeland took place over centuries. Many of them stayed in the Middle East and North Africa and large numbers were forcefully ejected by Muslims, beginning in the early 1900’s. Many went to Europe, and well, we know what happened to them there.
With the establishment of Israel after WW2, Jews living in the region had a friendly place to go. They call it “Aliyah”. These numbers (~800k) are far bigger than the Arab expulsion from Isreal yet rarely mentioned. Palestinian leaders like Hajj Amin al-Husayni, expressed pro-Nazi sentiment during World War II. In fact, much of the Arab world was Pro-Nazi. In speeches, Hitler purportedly made warm references towards Islam, such as: “The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France”. Kinda crazy when you think about the whole “Aryan” mentality. Enemies of my enemies are my friends, I guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world
February 2, 2025 at 4:40 pm #56055Unseen says,
The ideology of extremist Islam allows for terrorism and targeted assassination.
The ideology of the State of Israel allows for the subjugation and extermination of the Palestinians.
Not much to choose between them.
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Spoken like a true doctrinaire Jew hater of the left. Except i know you are no doctrinaire thinker. You made Autumn angry with your anti trans rhetoric. And i don’t think you are reading exclusively that far left Jew hating propaganda. But maybe you are and this is the one instance in which your philosophical raison detre breaks down. It is certainly the only shit i recall you citing with the exception of Hitchens on Zionism. No doubt Hitchens would see the mistake in his earlier position had he not succumbed to cancer.I was recently thinking how someone without far right or left political leanings, perhaps an anthropologist, could study mainstream islamic culture and compare it to the US hate groups. I know the southern poverty law center has tabs on them and there are in excess of 1000. So go live with Christian Identity and Neo Nazis etc and compare their culture to Islamic cultures in Gaza, Saudi, Yemen and determine as objectively as possible which takes the rotten cheese award. I would wager a large sum at even money on Islamic cultures. Will the hate groups murder members who leave? will they execute gays and apostates? Will they allow their women to be out of the home without male accompaniment? Are they required at penalty of severe punishment or death to wear the costumes of their cult? Do they consider dogs dirty and not to be touched? Do they regulate every single aspect of life including how to go to the bathroom and how to pray and what happens if you do not follow the rules? Do they refuse to allow women to be educated? Will they murder their daughters who are raped? I know they share hatred of Jews and other minorities but i would wager it is even more virulent in much of Islamic culture.
If anyone wants to get the inside scoop on Islamic culture i recommend Yasmine Mohammed podcast. I listen when hiking. Islamic culture is a living nightmare. I will resist a diatribe but here is an interesting and TELLING fact. The lefties who are invested in their oppressed/oppressor and Jew Hating anti Israel bs have shunned not only Jews in a lovely display of racism (it is just the government! hahaha) but the heroic women who have escaped the death cult and are giving first hand accounts warning the west. Those women are the ones calling the lefties useful idiots aka pawns of Islamic terrorists. Talk about what should be icons of feminism and yet muzzled by lefties. The lefty BS in demonizing jews and Israel and making the topic of Islam sacrosanct is exposed by people who KNOW. Just like communists or dictators treat dissenting voices or dictators. Shut those mofos down who are speaking out against your party line.
I use and think of that metaphor of humans all being pretty much the same and acted upon by the current. Incapable of resisting it. And yet i continue to marvel at the stupidity of lefties. Humanist goals, right? How can i contravene my goals and exacerbate the status quo? Oh i know. Like a dystopian novel that is tough to suspend disbelief i will uphold the mind viruses of the death cult that is directly responsible for the misery i oppose. Racism. Sexism, Absence of freedom, Absence of civil rights. Absence of gay rights. I mean it is only 2 billion and making babies like hot cakes at a festivity.
Reg, that quote was Golda Meir and Netanyahu rehashed that quote. Also with respect to that Hamas charter there is no mention of Palestinians and if memory serves 103 of Jews and the destruction of Israel.
Robert, the so called nakba, or disaster is an aspect of the Jew hating narrative of the left. And the thing is the Arabs attacked. In some cases Arabs were forced out but many left of their own accord and instructed to do so by Arab forces who expected them to be victorious and come back to their homes. Meanwhile ethnic cleansing of Jews all over the middle east. I mean cleansing. Handsful of Jews remaining in Morroco and Yemen and Iran, Syria etc. It was always terrible under Islamic regimes for jews and other minorities too. Continues to be that way. But the lefties don’t want to talk about Yazidis or Christians who are persecuted by Islam.
They have a very peculiar obsession with the zionist entity! And in that dystopian novel Jews and Israel are singled out in spite of Islamic cesspools of degenerate cultures. Yeah lets not compare cultures! That would make too much sense. Ok i gotta stop.
February 2, 2025 at 10:02 pm #56056Hamas has expressed the aim of killing Jews in its founding charter and public statements. The original Hamas Charter of 1988 contained explicit antisemitic rhetoric, including references to the destruction of Israel and religious justifications for violence against Jews. Article 7 of the charter cited an Islamic Hadith about killing Jews. It did tone it down in 2017 and changed the wording from killing Jews to the elimination of Israel. But that is only saying the same thing in different words.
The ideology of the State of Israel is rooted in Zionism, which is the belief in the establishment and maintenance of a Jewish homeland.
I don’t argue for the preservation of Hamas but for the preservation of the Palestinian people. When it comes to Hamas, exterminate away, but if the only way to do it is to kill Palestinians indiscriminately (not distinguishing between Hamas fighters and civilians) that would seem to satisfy the definition of a genocide as the term is commonly used.
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