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Sunday School July 13th 2025
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Reg the Fronkey Farmer.
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July 16, 2025 at 6:36 pm #58121July 16, 2025 at 7:14 pm #58122
jakelafortParticipantEnco,
It seems to me you are conceptualizing determinism from the perspective of physics. The universe unfolds in a determined way so that were one sophisticated enough in terms of mathematics and positions and forces at any one point the universe 2 billion years hence would be precisely as predicted. But i doubt anyone has the knowledge to have anything approaching certainty. We just keep learning and revising. Quantum physics is bizarre to our pea brains. Of course even without total predictability of the universe the injection of uncertainty does nothing to resurrect free will. But you don’t need the body blow by physics to scrap notions of free will. Just listen to Sapolsky or better yet read his book. If you have an argument i am all ears.
July 17, 2025 at 1:13 am #58124
jakelafortParticipantNice little synopsis of the history of Iran starting in 70s. And the women let the lefties have it.
July 17, 2025 at 3:43 am #58125
TheEncogitationerParticipantJake,
Enco, this is kind of long but it is a pretty cool vid in which Yasmine Mohammed interviews a Druze Israeli. If memory serves the Druze lady here dispels a lot of lefty/islamist lies and about the culture and history of Druze.
A great video about the Druze in Israel and Yasmeen Mohammed has some thoughtful videos.
But I still didn’t see it address the Druze prohibition against Apostasy. Anything with no escape clause sends up my antennae!
Furthermore, if Druze are fiercely loyal to the land where they find themselves, how do Israeli Druze. Lebanese Druze, Syrian Druze, Egyptian Druze, etc. avoid killing each other in combat?
I guess I am most concerned with how Druze treat each other and don’t worry about how they treat the “other”. And with Druze being (understandably) secretive, is there a way to know about these things? Oh, and with the world being so wired and surveilled, how long can this last?
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July 17, 2025 at 3:47 pm #58128
jakelafortParticipantEnco, Just like Jews they don’t want you. And that is a good thing. Islam makes it easy to join and deadly to leave. Imagine the world if all cultures kept their BS to themselves? Secular or theistic, the big disgusting ideologies seek converts. Commies. Maggots. Lefty’s. Christians. Muslims only want to take over the world and they are getting a great big assist from lefties.
Here is what LLM wrote in reply to my apostasy question.
The Druze religion has a complex stance on apostasy. Historically, the Druze community has faced persecution, including massacres, forced conversions, and demolition of prayer houses and holy sites. In the past, Druze leaders have threatened excommunication for those who disobeyed certain rules or traditions.
Key Points about Apostasy in Druze Culture:
– Prohibition on Leaving the Faith: Conversions are not permitted in the Druze religion, as they believe the first generation after the establishment of the faith had an opportunity to join, and everyone alive today is reincarnated from that generation.
– Threat of Excommunication: In 1953, the spiritual leader of the Druze community in Israel, Amin Tarif, threatened excommunication for any Druze volunteering in the Israeli army, showcasing the community’s historical emphasis on maintaining its traditions and values.
– Community Priorities: A 2015 Pew Research Center survey reported that nearly half (49%) of Druze in Israel say religion is very important in their lives, and 84% believe in God with absolute certainty {{IE_0}}¹{{/IE_0}}.While there isn’t a clearly defined penalty for apostasy in the Druze faith, the community’s history and cultural context suggest that deviating from the faith can lead to social and cultural repercussions.
July 17, 2025 at 11:01 pm #58131
TheEncogitationerParticipantJake,
Enco, Just like Jews they don’t want you. And that is a good thing. Islam makes it easy to join and deadly to leave. Imagine the world if all cultures kept their BS to themselves? Secular or theistic, the big disgusting ideologies seek converts. Commies. Maggots. Lefty’s. Christians. Muslims only want to take over the world and they are getting a great big assist from lefties.
Conditions for entry are alright in a free society, even silly ones, but not conditions of exit. Conditions for exit are what the Mob and Muslim creeds impose and are crummy and not cromulent.
Yes, indeed, imagine all that. John Lennon wouldn’t have made that sappy song. No Heaven and Hell is a given, but I’m keeping the toaster, TV, and steel-belted radials. And as long as some countries are better than others, there sadly have to be borders.
AI gave a better answer than Wiki here, assuming it’s correct.
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July 18, 2025 at 12:58 am #58134
jakelafortParticipantEnco says: Conditions for entry are alright in a free society, even silly ones, but not conditions of exit. Conditions for exit are what the Mob and Muslim creeds impose and are crummy and not cromulent.
Yes, indeed, imagine all that. John Lennon wouldn’t have made that sappy song. No Heaven and Hell is a given, but I’m keeping the toaster, TV, and steel-belted radials. And as long as some countries are better than others, there sadly have to be borders.
You are making a lot of sense.
It is a tiny, barely perceptible set of clues (that something is fucked up said Carlin) when there is an emotional attachment, strong personal identification with beliefs, the adherents KNOW what is in reality a lie, when criticism of the beliefs is discouraged/punished, when group-think is the equivalent of frogs mating in the summer with their sonorous and timeless croaking, when evil is enabled as a direct result of the ideology.
Oh i am not really thinking of the lefties. They are so intelligent as they ridicule the Maggots. Just so. Humor me.
Try this out for size. Simple universal axioms & ethical principles that all humans are encouraged to adopt. Nothing wild. First, we accept that human populations have only insignificant differences and as a result external cirumstances dictate that one group plays the oppressor and the other the oppressed. The oppressor is not innately evil. The oppressed is not innately supercalifragilistic. Those roles with those identical humans can be reversed under varied conditions. (Drop like a bad habit the oppressor/oppressed narrative which is of course a racist principle) We accept what is historically demonstrable and unassailable-that the vast majority of humans are not critical thinkers. Humans are led. Conditioned. We can be trained like dogs to be vicious or virtuous. We adopt the most beautiful or blood curdling norms. We believe the way we are indoctrinated.
That said as a backdrop a few simple tenets follow: Don’t tolerate rape, beating the living shit out of women even if there are instructions on how to deliver the punishment. Don’t tolerate severe culturally, religiously or state-imposed restrictions on women’s lives that are absent in men’s. Don’t unreasonably prohibit abortion.
Don’t permit discrimination against fill in the blank including but not limited to ethnic groups, religious groups, LGBT and however many letters are needed. If we are inculcated against bigoted views and culturally that kind of crap behavior is called out it will be greatly reduced.
Adopt an honest look at human history and human nature. I am not going to expand cuz i don’t want to write on and on when there are races to get to. Critical thinkinig is a critical part of all education for all people from start to finish. Seek universal education. Include basic life shit. Stuff about finances. About sex. Give incentives to students to be physicians or whatever services are most needed in any given place. Give students the basics. Reading, writing, simple math, history. Option to continue with mainstream or diverge into interests and aptitudes.
Whenever and wherever there is a massacre that is brewing, executory or an outright genocide all people in all places oppose it and governments send military in to stop it. It should have zero regard for cultural relativism, the endless scapegoating of Jews or any other political or aesthetic concerns. All lives have value. That means we need to establish values and jettison all of the BS multiculturalism/cultural relativism. There is lots of shit that is simply not OK. You end up with absurdity on steroids when lefties have snowflakes at universities who must abide by ridiculous shit while women in Iran are being executed for offenses that are inoffensive and the lefties silence those voices and offer no support. It is intolerable. Human suffering caused by governments, religions, ideologies wherever it exists must be fought. Similarly when people are starving or there is insufficient food, only dirty water then it is a problem for all humanity.
How about a punctuated equilibrium in human cultural evolution? Now or never! Fight all doctrinaire ideology. Fight the living shit out of Islam. Critique the shit out of it. No ideas are sacrosanct. I have other ideas but i know it is utterly chimerical to assume we humans get anything right.
July 19, 2025 at 4:19 pm #58148
jakelafortParticipantBravo Reg.
Well articulated ideas forming a cohesive something something. Only aspect i think you are generous is in assuming it requires any conditions to make people believe anything however F’ing stupid or insane although i suppose certain stressors will do just that or add tabasco to the hot tamale.
Globalize the intifada bitches!
July 19, 2025 at 4:49 pm #58149
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator@Jakelafort, I think your posted into the wrong post (like me now)…but no matter.
Your words “Well articulated ideas forming a cohesive something something” reminded me of year one, day one in my Sociology class (it was a business degree course) when the professor announced within the first minute that “a system is a cohesive whole founded in the light of bounded rationality.”
He asked me if I agreed with the statement as I was late in and was just taking my seat. He picked on me as he seemed to be feigning upset at my 30 seconds of tardiness.
I immediately replied (or retorted) “until it flounders in the darkness of human incompetence.” We got along fine after that.
July 19, 2025 at 5:13 pm #58150
jakelafortParticipantAnd Reg as to sociology class ya took me back to my college snooze fest sociology class. I sat next to my roomate in the back of the class. The guy was always high and making me laugh. Prof thought i was a total moron. First exam got highest score. He found out i was only half way to being a moron.
Am posting like an animal spraying my scent but the wind blows and it ends up back in my face every time.
July 19, 2025 at 5:52 pm #58151
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator@Jakelafort, I am sure that if I walked into a sociology class today, the professor would first ask for my preferred pronouns, then remind the class of the intersectional power dynamics of punctuality, and only then ask if I agreed with the modernized version of the statement that now asserts that “A system is a cohesive whole shaped by bounded rationality, intersectional awareness, and post-structural critique of hegemonic paradigms.”
I would reply “Until it trips over its own over-theorized jargon and files for cultural bankruptcy,” having first told the class that my preferred pronoun was “whatever.” Once they got over the shock, I would ask them if they were trying to discriminate against Interrogative Pronouns for some reason and if they could plea….is respect my lived experiences 🙂
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