Sunday School

[unapologeticParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

I now no longer have any religious people in my life. At least not in my immediate family or circle of friends. It is such a blessing for us all 🙂

That worked for me. I left town, and family, at 19. And drifted away from any believing acquaintances.

Unseen wrote:

‘DOUBT’. Doubt is often considered to be the voice of Satan in your ear

Cult propaganda. ‘Doubt’ is actually a ‘check sum’. Questions are a tool to find truth.

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

I read but can’t substantiate that 50% of Muslims in the UK (and a whopping 70% of Pakistanis) are inbred.

Maybe. But how can you tell? All believers sound retarded to me.

[UnseenParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

’ve wondered whether Muslims are innately lower in intelligence.

Wow…just wow.

All religions are superstition, but almost all advances in the past have been made in the context of some religion or other.

Jews have made many great scientific and mathematical contributions which have changed the source of history, but so have Muslims. Some examples follow:

Algebra
Muhammad bin Musa al-Khwarizmi is known as the father of modern algebra. He developed the subject of algebra and wrote a book on the topic that was used in European universities until the 16th century. The word “algorithm” comes from his name.

Trigonometry
Al-Khwarizmi also developed sine and cosine tables, which were later translated to the West.

Arabic numerals
The Arabs improved on the original Hindu numeral system and introduced the decimal system.

Astrolabe
This device combined mathematics, geography, and astronomy to chart the time of sunrise and sunset, which was important for Ramadan fasting.

Calendar
The Arabs reformed the calendar to have a margin of error of only one day in five thousand years.

Snell’s law
Persian scientist Ibn Sahl accurately described this law in 984.

Vertical-axle windmills
These windmills were used for grinding grains and drawing up water.

Islamic geometry
This field of geometry was closely tied to Islamic art and involved creating intricate patterns and borders.

Muslim scientists also made important contributions to medicine, astronomy, engineering, and agriculture. Their work helped to shape the scientific revolution of the Renaissance.

[jakelafortParticipant]

I have wondered and wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high and wonders why Muslims are depraved.

Davis would roll over in his grave!

I have read the algebra thing is stolen from i forget who but considering that Islam was spread by the sword it is consistent with their history.

Comparing Jews and Muslims is like comparing antisemitism to islamophobia. Antisemitism is an old old practice that simply reinvents itself. Islamophobia is a construct invented by Muslims to shield themselves from criticism. Jews are a people, an ethnic group, whereas Muslims are people from you name it. Every ethnicity or nearly so is included. Many Jews are of course atheists and a few are Buddhists or some other stupidity. ALL Muslims are theists unless you exclude wannabe apostates.

Anyways there is no legit gainsaying the disproportionate intellectual accomplishment of Jews in particular Ashkenazi Jews and i am not talking about their IQ which is last i remember 10 points higher than any other group. Jews make up about one fifth of one percent of human population and they take something like a quarter of the high achievement awards for intellect. Maybe a little less idk. Muslims are grossly underrepresented.

If we assume arguendo that Muslims are underachieving as a result of their cult and how it stifles intellectual progress then we are not answering whether it is innate. Any cult members are at a severe disadvantage for obvious reasons i won’t explore here. IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT to steal a line. I would expect that Muslims from more secular cultures who are themselves just cultural Muslims are higher achievers than the hard core cultists.

None of the above addresses issue of whether the deficiency is innate. So we have the potential issue of being inbred which is likely more complex than the simple treatment i gave it. I really do not know if there is an innate difference and if there is it must vary with locale and certain factors. It just strikes me right between the ears when talking to Muslims on FB group they are impossibly stupid beyond their superstition. It is embarrassing.

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

jakelafort wrote:

’ve wondered whether Muslims are innately lower in intelligence.

Wow…just wow. All religions are superstition, but almost all advances in the past have been made in the context of some religion or other. Jews have made many great scientific and mathematical contributions which have changed the source of history, but so have Muslims. Some examples follow: Algebra Muhammad bin Musa al-Khwarizmi is known as the father of modern algebra. He developed the subject of algebra and wrote a book on the topic that was used in European universities until the 16th century. The word “algorithm” comes from his name. Trigonometry Al-Khwarizmi also developed sine and cosine tables, which were later translated to the West. Arabic numerals The Arabs improved on the original Hindu numeral system and introduced the decimal system. Astrolabe This device combined mathematics, geography, and astronomy to chart the time of sunrise and sunset, which was important for Ramadan fasting. Calendar The Arabs reformed the calendar to have a margin of error of only one day in five thousand years. Snell’s law Persian scientist Ibn Sahl accurately described this law in 984. Vertical-axle windmills These windmills were used for grinding grains and drawing up water. Islamic geometry This field of geometry was closely tied to Islamic art and involved creating intricate patterns and borders. Muslim scientists also made important contributions to medicine, astronomy, engineering, and agriculture. Their work helped to shape the scientific revolution of the Renaissance.

Yeah, all of that was centuries ago. Before their idiotic religion really got them by the balls.

[UnseenParticipant]

Now that we’re discussing, apparently seriously, whether Muslims are, as a group, stupid, shall we also ask the same about black people?

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

Now that we’re discussing, apparently seriously, whether Muslims are, as a group, stupid, shall we also ask the same about black people?

If you continuously inbreed yourselves and your education consists of repeating Koran and Hadith, and your women are dressed in sheets while being treated like farm animals and if art, music, science and expression are all frowned upon for centuries, WTF do you think is gonna happen?

[_Robert_Participant]

I’ll tell you what happens….you marry little girls and rape sheep, you destroy ancient artifacts, you cut people’s heads off, you throw gays from rooftops, you fly planes into buildings and the only technology you even care about is rockets and suicide bombs to kill Jews and getting your hands on an atomic weapon to destroy every infidel on the planet. That is straight from their history and mouths. They are not afraid to tell it like it is. And the so-called “moderates” are complicit as is every non-Muslim who refuses to listen to what they are telling you.

[jakelafortParticipant]

You are spot on Robert.

I have listened to one apostate after another and they are in disbelief at how stupid or misinformed the useful idiot progressives are.

And yes the idea of a two state solution is a joke. They are obsessed with what was first denying a Jewish state and later destroying a Jewish state. That ambition has been explicit in charters and from the mouths of so many. It is also evident from their refusal to accept two states in partition or later when it was offered.

I am linking a video that i recommend. It is a Jewish lady historian and former liberal who has done extensive research into UNRWA being interviewed by an apostate who was force married to an al queda operative. Peace and two state solution as things stand is a joke. The underlying problem is what i said right here from the beginning. it is Islam and a deep rooted and obssessive hatred of Jews. Islam has to be defeated or more realistically reformed first. But damn sure those UNRWA schools that are so well funded by western powers have to be abolished. The story of UNRWA is unwrapped in that video. And btw it sickens me how CNN and MSNBC are portraying UNRWA and the conflict in general. Sure FOX is garbage too. Deliberate and lying and misleading their ideological viewers both.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

I’d still reserve compassion for the inbred kids, at least. And then the religion and culture they grow up in screws them up even further.

I understand where Unseen’s coming from.

A vaccination against Trump could save us from tons of distress and dysfunction. Nip that reverse evolution in the bud. Make wearing condoms a family tradition.

[_Robert_Participant]

PopeBeanie wrote:

I’d still reserve compassion for the inbred kids, at least. And then the religion and culture they grow up in screws them up even further. I understand where Unseen’s coming from. A vaccination against Trump could save us from tons of distress and dysfunction. Nip that reverse evolution in the bud. Make wearing condoms a family tradition.

Oh, I agree compassion is in order for all the people who think they are helpless to change their lives for the better. All they know is how to expect so little and make the best of it, as they are consigned to being mental slaves of a fictitious Allah and the strongmen who use mythology to subjugate them. To shed those leeches, it only takes 5% or 10% willing to stick their necks out to get the ball rolling. Look at the living standards of Egypt. Sixty to 70% poverty rate. I was there for a month. It was a nightmare. So many pleasant, yet brainwashed zombies, spouting Allah Akbar.

Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, LOL) and all of those Muslim countries in Africa. Poverty. This is what fundamentalism does for you. And they are hell bent on spreading that misery everywhere.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Jake and Robert

Yada yada, yada…

It is wrong/unethical/immoral to make sweeping generalizations about a group, even Muslims.

Additionally, it’s illogical. It’s the fallacy of composition.

Example: Some people have turned a novel idea into a million dollar business. So, anyone with a novel idea can become a millionaire.

Despite all your fancy defenses, you’re still promoting a profoundly dumb and racist idea.

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

@ Jake and Robert Yada yada, yada… It is wrong/unethical/immoral to make sweeping generalizations about a group, even Muslims. Additionally, it’s illogical. It’s the fallacy of composition. Example: Some people have turned a novel idea into a million dollar business. So, anyone with a novel idea can become a millionaire. Despite all your fancy defenses, you’re still promoting a profoundly dumb and racist idea.

Ah, OK. A religion is a race now. Sorry, that’s profoundly dumb and you should know better. If someone believes and practices Islam as written and taught, they immediately drop 50 IQ points.

Just look around at Muslim countries. AKA Shitholes. How many are democracies? What is their standard of living? How many are dictatorships? How many provide terrorists safe haven? How many export and support terrorism around the world? just look at the fucking security costs those morons put on the free world because of all the anti-terrorism. It makes me so happy when a Hezbollah soldier for Iran has his balls blown off. From the liver to the spleen.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

_Robert_ wrote:

This is what fundamentalism does for you. And they are hell bent on spreading that misery everywhere.

Facts. And when those life stories of abused and made-dysfunctional human beings get to the point of “righteously” destroying the rest of humanity, the only thing we can do is remove them by force, and let Allah sort them out. I just wish innocent bystanders could be saved before that happens, because in reality, Allah’s never going to save ANY of them.

[jakelafortParticipant]

It is clear like a pellucid mountain stream cascading over sparkling rocks made smooth by the intermittent spring flow. Down down the mountainside will it go gathering in the downstream pools where polywogs will grow. The mainstream has few stragglers who fight the current’s flow. Otherwise the current carries all wherever it may go.

And that is how humanity is. It is mainstream lives going with that current wherever it may go. They’re at once all guilty and all innocent The Nazis who were bugs attracted to light in a chemical process of chemotaxis towards their fuhrer. The children who ‘volunteered’ to be suicide bombers. The professional executioners of the middle ages. The inquisitors with their inquisitions and torture. The Arab slave traders. The Christians who sent their children on a crusade to be slaughtered.

There are outliers who do not go with that flow. But the stronger the current the fewer who can say NO. Islam in the middle east. What is it? Why do we give it safe passage on that river as it flows?

It is a massive and expanding cult whose adherents are roughly one quarter of the total number of humans!!! Were it on all fours in terms of how it subjugates women, handles apostasty, handles homosexuality, regulates every aspect of life from diet to ablutions and toilet use, animals deemed dirty and sartorial requirements violation of which can mean the life of the transgressor our hypothetical cult of 900 living in isolation would be viewed by all outside its gates as an evil little enclave and we would universally or nearly so see it as our duty to liberate and deprogram its victims.

Victims? Yes victims. And that is what Muslims are when they are born into that cesspool of Islam, that degenerate cult. What is it? What is its nature? What does it do? No Clarise that is incidental. Woops i was going all cradle rock style with Silence of the lambs. Digression aside it is clear the impact of Islam. As i demonstrated on a strong hunch a few weeks ago it is mental illness run amok. It is minds frozen in infantilism never having an opportunity for intellectual growth. It is an obsessive hatred of jews that makes heroes of judenmorder. It is a belief in paradise so strong that sexually repressed Muslims will be suicide bombers. It is women who are prisoners in that cult unable to achieve any sort of meaningful self-actualization and forced to go along with gender apartheid. It is cycles of poverty and ignorance. It is fodder for endless wars and lives that are cheapened by the apotheosis of Islamic ideals. etc.

So i say that progressives who demonize Israel and Jews while making the topic of Islam as an idea off limits are themselves racists of the most grotesque variety. All of those victims left to languish in their cult. All of those future generations the same. The incalculable misery and suffering it engenders and yet it is protected. Pathetic. Despicable. It is a mind virus that is coming for the west as well. It will not stop at the death of Jews. We are all infidels and it won’t stop unless its stopped by us.

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Ah, OK. A religion is a race now. Sorry, that’s profoundly dumb and you should know better. If someone believes and practices Islam as written and taught, they immediately drop 50 IQ points. Just look around at Muslim countries. AKA Shitholes. How many are democracies? What is their standard of living? How many are dictatorships? How many provide terrorists safe haven? How many export and support terrorism around the world? just look at the fucking security costs those morons put on the free world because of all the anti-terrorism. It makes me so happy when a Hezbollah soldier for Iran has his balls blown off. From the liver to the spleen.

The way the word “race” is used nowadays isn’t the way it was when I was a kid and it was all about skin color: white, brown, red, yellow, and black. Nowadays, a race is defined more loosely to include a people united under a culture, in addition to skin color.

Even though they nominally belong to one religion, it is a fractured faith, akin to all those Christian churches existing outside the main Christian denominations of Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, etc. The are more like the nondenominational “churches,” the ones in the storefronts and the TV megachurches.

How a Muslim practices his faith and what he sees as truth depends upon the interpretation of his mosque’s Imam.

Islam is not one thing. Here in the U.S., most Muslims are just trying to make a living, keeping their heads down, not thinking of strapping on a suicide vest and probably wishing that side of their faith didn’t exist.

 

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