Kyrani Eade
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@kyrani – if evolution isn’t true, then what is the alternative explanation for how all the animals and plants got here, and how the ground is full of fossils, which all link up into a family tree extending back from the present day, through geological history, getting generally simpler and simpler as we go backwards? You’re not filling me in on what you DO believe, only on what you DON’T believe. You don’t believe in evolution. What DO you believe, instead? You must have thought about it, or there must be an off-the-shelf explanation for all this, available from the Intelligent Design camp. What is the generally accepted Intelligent Design explanation, for species as we know them? Can you state what it is, without mentioning evolution and how that’s not true?
“bring creation into being” – that’s not it. That is Goddidit again.There are fossils but there are precious few outside of the Cambrian period. And the fossils we find in the Cambrian period do NOT show any half way body forms, which is to say there are no fossils found that fit the presupposed ideas of Darwin. Darwin supposed that life evolved from simple to more complex. Thus he presented the idea of a common ancestor and on that supposition he built a phylogenic tree on his presuppositions and NOT on the evidence.
Darwin saw small changes in animals he collected as for example the Galapagos finches’ beak size and shape. And from that sort of evidence he presupposed changes that amount to changes in body forms and one species turning into another. He never went back to the Galapagos Islands to observe the areas and the birds etc., that were there later on. So the evidence is incomplete and does not give a family tree. Rather the evidence we have from extensive fossil records collected from all over the world show a sudden appearance of complex animals and plants. This would give many unconnected blades of grass growing in a field.
It is later that geneticists have seen similarities in the way that cells are structured and their functions and hence also similarities in genes. How do we explain this?
I was neutral on evolution up until I had cancer the third time. Up until then I had just accepted what I was taught at university. I didn’t major in biology but I have enough biology to be able to read biological research papers and understand them. Anyway to explain to you what I saw at the cellular and sub-cellular level, I have to give you a short account of my experiences with cancer first because things happened that alerted me enough to investigate.
The first time I had cancer it was stage 4 ovarian cancer with mets to the uterus, cervix, bowel and both lungs. The doctors said “nothing we can do for you”. I ended up having a spontaneous remission having had moved away from where I had been living. I had moved away partly because I wanted to go to Sydney (I live in Cairns about 2,500 kms north) to get the second opinion BUT also because I felt that some people around me were a bad influence. That’s all I knew then. That was in 1993. I could not say why I had the spontaneous remission.
In April-May of 2004 I got cancer again but this time there were events that made me think. I had been cheated over what appeared to be a small issue by some people, and that issue mysterious kept coming up episodically and made me angry. I began to develop a sore throat and what I thought was the flu from the symptoms I was experiencing. Within a few weeks I had great difficulty in swallowing solid food. I had to puree my food so I realized I had a lump in my esophagus.
Then one day, after about 5 or 6 weeks of being sick, especially with the flu and inability to eat my food, I suddenly saw, out of my window, a man trampling on a tree seedling in my front yard. I became extremely angry, more than I thought was warranted and I threw something over my shoulders and went down to the front of my drive way and took him to task. He tried to pretend he didn’t know what I was talking about. After about 15 mins I sorted the matter and the issue was resolved. But when I went back inside my house I found that I was feeling well again. The flu was gone! How could this happen? How could the flu just evaporate in 15 or 20 mins.? I never had this happen before. Then when I looked over my diary notes I realized that there was a combination of emotions that would explain high and low metabolism, feeling hot and cold, sweating, fever etc. I realized it was not the flu but flu-like symptoms. And in the span of another 2 or 3 weeks the lump was gone and I could swallow any and all foods easily.
Finally in Nov. 2004 there was a new issue created and within a month I had sharp pain in my side. I decided to throw caution to the wind and used Vipassana or insight meditation, which I had master years, decades earlier, to investigate what was going on in my body. Over many observations spanning several weeks, I found remarkable changes. I observed stem cells divide and the two daughter cells were markedly different. I observed cells move through the blood stream and through lymph vessels. Some were like the new looking cells but some were not even like the stem cells from which the new cells originated. The new type of cells had changed appearance in the blood stream as there seemed to have small particles stick on their surface but the other cells did not have anything stick to their surface.
There was a sort of run and chase going on but I have to say it was hard to see clearly what was going on since there was too much going on, too many other cells. Then they finally stopped by clinging to the walls of the vessel and then squeezed through when the vessel wall cells seemed to become more loosely connected. And they again looked like the cells I saw enter the vessel to begin with, i.e., without anything stuck on their outer membrane surface. There was another run and chase more easy to observe through the tissue of the bowel wall. And there was interaction with cells in the area where they stopped, just inside the inner lining of the bowel. And again I was able to observe remarkable transformations. There had to have been deliberate changes in genetic expression to get a whole variety of new cells start to appear and grow and divide. There is no way this can be chance mutations in the genome. And the changes in appearances and type of cells created reflected the changes I saw in the original site in the ovary.
I let the lump in the bowel grow to the size of a golf ball and there seemed to be movement again into the blood stream. I had observed enough. I thought to call a halt to it. So I resolved the issues, which I had deliberately not addressed earlier and discharged the ideas that I had seen in Mind. I was also aware of the people, who were involved and presenting the ideas in Mind, so I used at the time a PC game (Diablo) to counter attack them in the Mind.
I observed cells changes again but this time back to normal cells. And we are talking about stem cells that originated in the ovary convert to cells that were same as those in their new surrounding in the bowel. So again genetic changes that were deliberate. And the excess self destructed, which I recognized was apoptosis process and then the debris was cleared away by cells that formed big loops around the small particles. I realized these had to have been macrophages. I strongly believe that the cells that changed their genetic expression to become bowel tissue cells were cancer stem cells and the ones that self destructed may have been cancer cells that were not stem cells. I am not sure about that because I saw many different cancer cells divide into two different daughter cells. So maybe all the cancer cells are pluripotent or totipotent????
So what I observed flew in the face of what I had been taught at university. And it flew in the face of what I have read in research papers on the net. Stem cells had deliberately, over the span of a few weeks to a month, changed their appearance dramatically as to form what is really not a mass of cells but a new type of organ. AND to convert back to normal cells. This means the mutations are deliberate changes, intelligent changes.
There is no way I could believe they are mis-copied genes that formed out of control rogue cells any more. The evidence I saw makes that plainly false. BUT it also challenges evolution because it is NOT UNDIRECTED CHANGE. AND there are intelligent changes. The new cells function and interact with other cells in their environment, which are not cancer cells.
I don’t know how life suddenly appeared in all its forms.
I am not a Christian but I can to some extent accept even young Earth creationism, maybe bit more than 6,000 years IF the Universe is really a simulation. If the Earth is part of a hologram, then everything is manufacture. Maybe God thought to have a joke and plant a whole lot of fossils form in one a moment of hahaha! lol.
More seriously though, if cells can transform themselves, without a blueprint that is visible, then the genome is a bit more than we imagine. It is like an alphabet from which we can create new words and a whole new language. A kid with leggo blocks can build anything and not just what their parent has shown them. BUT it takes intelligence. That is the hidden factor. How? I don’t fully understand it… yet, but I am working on it. However I am not fully on board with the Intelligent Design group either.
I don’t think there is a common ancestor but rather a common algorithm of some sort that gives rise to a genome, which has great similarities right across all of life on Earth. But one way or the other intelligent changes are involved.
@Kyrani. “Both sides are using scientific arguments”. I’ve yet to hear a scientific explanation for God – I hear the god of the gaps argument for things that science has yet to explain, but I’m fascinated with the idea that science backs religion in some way. I thought religion was all about faith, and faith by definition was unsupported by evidence. Are you saying faith is no longer required? On a side note, Isaac Newton did his gravity thing as a sideline. His main work was alchemy, the study of turning base metals (lead) into gold. He wasn’t very good at that. We are lucky he took a bit of time off to examine gravity.
First faith is being defined as “belief unsupported by evidence”, but most of the people that are doing that are not religious. There are some religious people holding that view but I think most of them are really rogues on the inside, or people that can’t explain the evidence that they have.
Really no one believes anything without evidence. Yes, the evidence may be flimsy sometime but it is still, for them, evidence. For instance they may believe some idea because they have it from an authority. And this goes right across the board. Most doctors believe that some medical procedure is needed to treat or cure disease because that was what they were taught at med school.
However what I have seen, the strong evidence about belief and evidence, is that the foul game play that cheats a person into reacting adversely as to develop some form of disease, requires the person cheated to actually believe and idea presented to them, mostly mentally through a closely related person. And this is done by the use of a concealed threat, which is made concurrent, with the presented idea. So that a person may erroneously associate the emotional reactivity with the idea, consider it evidence for the idea and hence form a belief. If people could be sold ideas without evidence inhumane people would hardly go to this much trouble to cheat their “loved ones” or others with whom they have some relationship, e.g., workassociates.
About Newton’s attempts at alchemy, we have a great deal to be thankful for because this lead to the whole science of chemistry. Together with physics, chemistry is one of the hard sciences.
Science does, to some limited extent, provide some evidence for the existence of a creator. The only real dispute is who that creator is. Some like to imagine aliens in another Universe creating this Universe, others favor the disembodied brain in a jar, which has consciousness of course, of course.. thinking this Universe into being, and so on.
More seriously though we have the growing body of evidence that the Universe is a simulation or hologram, in other words “a creation”. And this is the view of very well respected physicists like Stephen Hawkins (British) and Leonard Susskind (American). If you are interested here on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY&t=920s&spfreload=1
The view that the Universe is a hologram means that necessarily matter is also information. And certainly Susskind is trying to make the information physical, but that can’t always be defended. However the problem is bigger. It is not only the presence of information, it also involves rules that govern that information and hence the nature of the physical.
In quantum theory, we also have a problem with explaining how nature, i.e., the physical actually exists at the microscopic level. When not observed what is matter? The conclusion some physicists come to, e.g., Heisenberg, is that the properties exist in superposition, but do they? Does matter even exist at all? Is it only some probability distribution of what possibly can be observed! It seriously challenges the view of “materialism is all that there is” as the reality. It points to some sort of non-physical reality being fundamental upon which or in which the physical comes into being. And what about “the rules” or laws that govern what is and is not? This also smacks of some intelligence.
So here again the ideas of aliens and supercomputers somewhere in another universe is being discussed but if there is a creator of some sort, then it can equally be true to say that the creator is God. Some are trying to lump this with the old “God of the gaps” argument but here it points to something other than the material, so this old argument is not valid.
The faults in Evolutionary Theory is yet another area. We have millions of years of nothing but microbes and then we have the Cambrian explosion. This was a relatively short “event”, which happened about 541 million years ago in the Cambrian period. In this time the fossil record shows that most major animal phyla suddenly appeared. There is no evidence of evolution. There are no half way forms. This is sure baffling. But there is more evidence, which also points to intelligence.
When we consider how genetic switches work, we can’t really dismiss and intelligence behind genetic expression. It is far different to turning your light switch on or off, where a switch is flicked from one position to another. In genetic switching a binding (protein) segment is removed to turn it off and discarded. Then when the switch is turned on again the cell remakes the bit that was discarded and slots it into the appropriate place. A simpler version happens in procaryotes like bacteria, but it is still in the same sort of way.
There are three good short videos on this link http://media.hhmi.org/biointeractive/click/Gene_Switches/01.html
If you want to read more in depth here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26872/figure/A1275/?report=objectonly
How can this happen without intelligence and even some level of consciousness, some non-local consciousness?
I also saw some interesting effects in cancer cells, which I will share with you. My findings fly in the face of the Cancer cell evolutionary theory. I observed that it was stem cells in a particular organ or tissue that modify their expression deliberately and there is a lot of shuffling of genes and many segments turned on and off. And these are all reversible. More startling is that these changes occurred with perceptions of possible harm in the area in question. Thus our perceptions and especially when they become beliefs, cause stem cells to effectively change expression as to generate a novel organ, which is a cell barrier and like any other organ it has:
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- 1. a micro-environment e.g., stromal cells and others, which communicate with the cancer stem cells and other cancer cells,
2. a basal membrane that defines the organ,
3. a blood supply,
4. communication with immune cells, e.g., the creation of exosomes, which are transferred to immune cells that go and prepare a new site (for metastasis).
5. And the immune cells assist the cancer stem cells to travel to the prepared new location!
All this medical researchers and doctors are saying comes from damage and mis-copying and supposed evolutionary changes? No! It is all intelligent changes.
Once the person sees that the ideas/ beliefs of possible harm are bogus, the body undoes the changes and restores normality. I can vouch for that having had many episodes of cancer and able to deliberately effect spontaneous remission AND now prevent the development of cancer.
This shows that the medical paradigm that we are “meat robots, which evolved from fish (last count that I saw being suggested), is only a story that puts the doctors in the driver’s seat. And the ride is very expensive and very dangerous to boot!
This is evidence that points to a conscious being, which has intelligence because it is evidence that there is intelligence that can affect right down to the sub-cellular level and non-local ( Higher/ Supreme Being) as well as local (conscious being/ soul) consciousness and that reality is not about dead matter self organizing and becoming minds and consciousness etc.
