#MeToo Must Start Making Distinctions

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  • #24394

    Asianne
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    I think we need to stop this idea that “men are all assholes and women are all victims” because it’s creating a huge divide between men and women. The problem can only be solved if we talk about the issues HONESTLY and that’s NOT happening

    #24395

    Davis
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    I think we need to stop this idea that “men are all assholes and women are all victims” because it’s creating a huge divide between men and women.

    Jesus Christ who let this cliché mysogenist onto our website? Asianne you perfectly typify the “men are the victim” stereotype. Just spot on. When women fight back…it’s the oh no…poor guys…saying one man raped me even if its true…it hurts other men who are entirely unrelated yet somehow get offended by it as a general attack. Oh geeze…I better just not say anything for fear of some guy I never said was an asshole somehow irrationally inteprets it that way. Because that…above all things…is the most important things to consider. In addition  I’m sure your absolute expert experience in rape detection was put to the highest test when you watched her testimony (which I highly doubt you even saw a hilights reel). Just about every single non-American I know who objectively watched her testimony and whats his names defense…found her story convincing and were utterly aghast that this was the end of the affair and he was appointed Judge of the Supreme court within days. The biggest group of doubters are the ones who want a far-right-conservative on the bench or who don’t want to admit sexual assault is prevelant, or worse, that sexual abusers shouldn’t be prosecuted so much.

    POINTING OUT RAPE HAPPENS MORE THAN PEOPLE REALISE IS NOT SAYING THAT MEN ARE ASSHOLES! IT’S POINTING OUT A FACT AND TRYING TO STOP A HORRIFIC CRIME THAT SCREWS PEOPLE UP FOR LIFE. THIS IS NOT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. THE ONLY PERSON SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT MEN BEING ASSHOLES IS YOU. SO CONSIDER NOT CALLING MEN ASSHOLES. NO ONE ELSE IS.

    #24396

    Asianne
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    Wow

    #24397

    Asianne
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    You clearly have no idea what I meant

    #24400

    Simon Paynton
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    I think “metoo” has been beneficial for me, because it helps me to see women’s point of view.  It’s a start in the right direction as far as I’m concerned.

    In other words, far from creating a divide, it’s bringing the two sides closer together.

    #24401

    _Robert_
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    Yeah, me too suck ups are exactly the kind of guys women are NOT attracted to. Young females pursue thugs, alpha assholes, criminals, jail birds, meat headed gym rats and now we have a “me too” thing. Sorry, plenty of good guys around but they are invisible, not enough danger. So it’s ok for women to follow their biological leanings but all men are guilty. The lesson I learned was treat women like trash and they adore you and long to fix you. They are looking for projects. And it works like magic. I tired of that because it’s not my true nature and finally found a woman with a brain.

     

    #24409

    jakelafort
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    Asianne, i have little doubt most men believe her and see him as a lying sack of entitled shit.

    But you are right a lot of men don’t give a rat’s ass. Those men are largely supporters of Trump. They are good with racism, discrimination, hyper patriotism, authoritarianism, and abuse or rape of women.

    #24410

    _Robert_
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    As disgusting as I find Trump to be, there is his first lady and daughter right beside him. Millions of women voted for him. Women need to own up to their own behavior as well. And if my clueless democratic party equates every allegation with automatic guilt we are done for and liberals should hang our heads in shame.

    #24411

    Simon Paynton
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    Kavanaugh acted guilty.  If he was innocent it should have been like water off a duck’s back.

    #24412

    Simon Paynton
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    Having said that, I agree with the decision to go ahead with his election contest, and I am glad it was a Democrat woman who spoke up for due process.

    #24413

    _Robert_
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    Guilty of being an asshole frat boy, hell that’s easy to figure. She may have skipped the chess club party that night  to party with the frat boys. Oh well, go figure. No witnesses either. So yeah, Kavanaugh is on the court now because radical liberals have sent middle of the roaders running to the right. Nobody I know that has a real job thinks there are 78 sexual genders. Or that a 60 year old man can “identify” as a 16 year old Japanese schoolgirl. Or that jihadi Muslim assholes should be allowed safe zones on campuses where they can plan takedowns. I have no problem heading towards a more socialistic society. It has to be done in a careful, measured way. Ah it probably doesn’t matter, the planet is heating up full speed and the meek will not inherit anything but misery.

    #24414

    Davis
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    And if my clueless democratic party equates every allegation with automatic guilt we are done for and liberals should hang our heads in shame

    Oh God not you too. First of all per your claim that women go for assholes, and by the way that is a ludicrous argument usually made by misogynistic pick up artists…where is your evidence of it? Yeah I have one friend who continually falls for douchebags and the numerous other friends  are with nice guys. I also have male friends who go out with controlling manipulative ladies. I fail to see what ANY OF THIS has to do with taking accusations of rape seriously. With no other kind of crime does someone go…well the victim was asking for it. If a jerk is murdered you blame the murderer. If a cheap miser gets robbed…you blame the robber. The circumstances that lead a person to break the law and violate someone’s right to live, private property or bodily and sexual autonomy…is irrelevant to where the blame lies. Short of self defence or chronic poverty I cannot see any murdering or theft that is not the fault of the criminal. It may be  ironic that a miser is robbed…it may make you laugh…but the victim isn’t to blame regardless of their personality or if they did or said something not advisable. With people being raped though…many people jump at the victims throat and blame them…and persecute them and don’t believe them despite the fact that they would be much more likely to do so over theft or physical assault or fraud. Victims of physical assault or theft  are believed and yes false accusations of these also ruin peoples lives. So why the hangup on rape victims?  Some people see the abuse of women (and men) as less important or more forgivable that other crimes. Men and women aren’t really so responsible for being raped. Zheesh.

    Now all of that was assuming women do fall for assholes etc. I doubt that is based on nothing more than bias…personal dating frustration and  anecdotal evidence. Do you have a well conducted study that somehow illustrated a significant percentage of women falling for objectively douchey men? I highly doubt it. Its just another demeaning stereotypes about women…allowed because demeaning women is less of an issue because…them being demeaned isn’t as big of a deal as men who think they are being attacked when they really aren’t. Any studies?

    • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  Davis.
    #24417

    _Robert_
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    Freedom requires that people get their feelings hurt. People disagree. It’s like the far left wants the government to guard their feelings, fuck that. That should drive you crazy. I do not respect anything about Islam and Catholicism and I will voice my opinion whenever I want to at my own risk.

    As far as women are concerned, dude..where have you been? Nice guys finish first? You need a study? Half the articles in every woman’s mag are about falling for the wrong assholes.  From Charles Manson to Hitler, testosterone and power is like catnip. Is the Rock in every movie because he’s a nice guy genius?  It’s thousands of years of picking the biggest, baddest ape-man to sire your offspring. Women never fess up to that, do they? See the abs and square jawline on Jesus? That is not an accident. Cops and firemen, It’s ridiculous.

    Who are the big female role models? Kardashians. That’s who. OK so when women get older they tend to learn from their bad choices and then have regrets. Dr Ford skipped the astronomy club meeting and went to the frat house party. Did she get molested? Probably. Do men abuse women physically? Yes, very often. Especially since they repeatedly are attracted to those alpha men. They reinforce that behavior because they feel ashamed of themselves, they fail to report it and the next victim does the same thing.  Why is Bill Cosby’s wife not in jail? Women should take responsibility for their role in all of this.

    #24418

    Asianne
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    Anyone who understands narcissistic personality disorder at all (ahem Trump) knows that if you engage, you give them power. Trump can (and has) easily flip ANYTHING around to make him look good to the idiots who support him. The more women that come forward now, the easier he can cry “fake news” because he can now claim that “poor Brett” and men like him are the victims not the other way around. That mentality is going to matriculate down to attitudes in our culture.

    I have been personally affected negatively by the metoo movement in many ways. It’s having the opposite effect than what was supposed to be its outcome like some sort of solution.

    #24419

    Unseen
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    @davis — Do girls prefer bad boys? Some do. .Many do. Just go out to a meat market bar and see all the asshole guys with a desirable female on their arm. “Show me a mentally, physically, and emotionally abusive sociopathic narcissist and pathological liar and I’ll show you a guy who has a date on Saturday night.”

    For a lot of girls, dating and relationships are adventure. Sort of the way racing cars or hunting is for guys. Now, sure, there are girls who race or hunt, but very few guys approach dating and relationships as adventure.

    “With no other kind of crime does someone go…well the victim was asking for it.” Oh, really. If someone’s car is stolen while they left it with the motor running or their home was burglarized while it’s their habit not to lock their doors, people will blame them. Watch when a child has a misadventure of any sort for how the parents are blamed almost automatically by people almost totally unaware of the facts. It’s a lot more common than you seem to think.

    Also, some criticisms labeled as “blaming the victim” have a logic to them. The woman who is raped while cutting through a so-called “bad neighborhood” does not deserve to be raped. No compassionate person can argue that. Nobody can be deserving of being raped. Yet, their judgment might be questioned in the same way we’d question the judgment of someone who leaves their car with the motor running. They didn’t deserve to have their car stolen, yet to some degree they, okay, were leaving themselves open to it. ;”What were you thinking?!” Is that blaming the victim? I suppose it may be shaming them, so I’d never say it to their face. Salt in the wound. However, I might share that observation with a third party.

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