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  • #34149

    Davis
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    It seems 99% likely Biden will win and highly likely he will take 4 of the last 5 states. In any case, it seems even more that Trump would be willing to set the country on fire if it means saving face (or what he thinks is saving face). My question is: do you think Trump would knowingly start up a full scale civil war if it meant disingenuously holding onto the presidency?

    #34150

    PopeBeanie
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    He might try. But at some point, even the most rabid Trump supporters will have to realize that there is no road to a Trump win. This is purely anecdotal, but in my local newspaper’s comment section which is normally noisy with pro-Trump–even hateful comments about anti-Trump comments, is now strangely quiet.

    I personally feel that if anything with flimsy or no evidence regarding election fraud were to be put on the SCOTUS doorstep, they would not feel obligated to follow a purely partisan course. Issues such as abortion are different matters, with consideration for states rights (e.g. in Roe V Wade) prevailing over federal prescriptions and enforcements. As biased as SCOTUS is, I feel they’ll still mostly act according to preservation of constitutional law rather than politics.

    Some serious terrorist-like incidents wouldn’t surprise me, but again, with no effect on the electoral process. If it came down to a “CW2”-like scenario, actions of the national guard in each state will depend on the state’s governor, and I’m 90% sure it the US military got involved it would be to insure peaceful transition of power according to election results, which I agree is 99% likely in favor of Biden.

    What worries me the most are the diehard pro-Trump politicians in office who might keep stoking the fire against progressive movements. And I’m still baffled by what’s happened in the past four years, including the still-rabid support for Trump by half the country. So there’s that uncertainty.

    What the hell… place yer bets, everyone.

    #34151

    Davis
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    Yeah I highly doubt there will be widespread violence. My question is: if he had a realistic opportunity to stoke serious violence (thousands of deaths) would he do it…even if just to attempt to “save face”?

    #34152

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Guess I did avoid that question. He’s unhinged, and what he does next I can’t predict. He’s likely energized by his fans who are energized by him, so he can carry this energy into 2021 after he’s no longer potus. He also has another possible outlet for expressing himself (this clip from AP news):

    Allies of the president, including his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., used Twitter to call out what the younger Trump labeled, “The total lack of action from virtually all of the ‘2024 GOP hopefuls.’”

    So some form of extended Apocalypse might still be in the cards no matter how little or how much DJ McNasty contributes to it.

    #34153

    Simon Paynton
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    My experience with narcissists is that they are quite prepared to bring the roof down on everyone’s heads, just to feel that they have “won” (a Pyrrhic victory).  So yes, I think he would be quite prepared to cause thousands of deaths in order to feel like he had “won”.

    #34155

    jakelafort
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    There is very little issue regarding Trump’s willingness to cause untold deaths. He has done nothing to fight climate change. He has actively encouraged deaths in the pandemic. He caused unnecessary deaths in the Ukraine.

    Everything about him shows a callous disregard for the masses even the ones who are not living in shithole countries.

    #34156

    Unseen
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    It seems 99% likely Biden will win and highly likely he will take 4 of the last 5 states. In any case, it seems even more that Trump would be willing to set the country on fire if it means saving face (or what he thinks is saving face). My question is: do you think Trump would knowingly start up a full scale civil war if it meant disingenuously holding onto the presidency?

    He’s already sacrificed probably 150,000 Americans, or more, to his reelection efforts by trying to pretend the pandemic away and persuading his clueless throng of sycophantic cultists that either the pandemic was a hoax or something that would eventually go away while he reopened the nation.

    He’s a pathological narcissist  who has no moral compass whatsoever. You can argue over whether he’s a sociopath or a psychopath, but clearly he’s one or the other and, if such is possible, maybe a witches blend of both.

    He’s dog whistling his brown shirts The Proud Boys and the white supremacy militias (weekend warriors who hoard guns and ammo) to stand by to act in case he loses.

    So, he’s actively setting up a civil war in case he loses. He’s sent out his sons to stir things up on Twitter.

    His bizarre news conference yesterday which was lies and distortions from start to finish signals that he will not accept defeat, and if he is forced to do so, be prepared for him to burn the house down on his way out.

    #34157

    Unseen
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    Yeah I highly doubt there will be widespread violence. My question is: if he had a realistic opportunity to stoke serious violence (thousands of deaths) would he do it…even if just to attempt to “save face”?

    No, it won’t be like our CW1 with two armies meeting on a battlefield. It’ll be street skirmishes between opposing armed bands. It’ll be kidnap murders. It’ll be bombings and assassinations.

    America will become like an unstable Third World country for a while. Hopefully, not permanently.

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    #34163

    Even when Trump is no longer President I think “Trumpism” will continue. A more nuanced and articulate far right figure may emerge from the ranks of the GOP as it reforms. Much of their support base will still be the Trumpists and this will further alienate the decent and normal Republicans. We are likely to see a formal split and a new party established. The old GOP will be reformed and rebranded as a more centrist party.

    I think the problem is not that people disagree on issues and policies. It has ever been so. Generally, a good political leader with understand the art of compromise and get people to move back towards the middle. The problem is that there are 2 sets of facts. There are the facts of “reality” that all reasonable and fair-minded people want to deal with. Then there are the “alternative facts” which are made up of “alternative news” and “alternative truths”. This is where the QAnon types or the “far-right for the not-so-bright” come from. It is difficult to defend your position when you are dealing with conspiracy theorists. It is almost like debating a theist. They cannot see things from your point of view.

    When the GOP hold their autopsy, they will not want QAnon senators in their ranks if they want to rebrand so I think a split must happen. They cannot afford to have “Trumpism” as their political philosophy. I don’t think Trump was ever a Republican. He just bullied everyone until they agreed with him or got replaced by his sycophantic yes-men. OK time for a song…..from Trump’s spiritual advisor.

     

    #34164

    If you feel in any way disturbed by that video then support can be found in the realization that she is a typical Evangelical and lives in an alternative reality with Jesus and tons of money she grafted for the gullible.

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    #34167

    Ivy
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    My question is: do you think Trump would knowingly start up a full scale civil war if it meant disingenuously holding onto the presidency?

    Absolutely without question. He’s going to lie steal and cheat 💯. It remains to be seen how much he is enabled. That (I fear) is – a lot.

    #34168

    I agree Ivy – the problem for the GOP is that they are his enablers…….even as he plays his fiddle they will throw fuel onto the fire.

    #34169

    Ivy
    Participant

    ….AND 50% of the American people are also his enablers….the biggest problem.

    #34171

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    I’ll be most interested in those who are running in the next mid-term elections. The others have three or five years to take stock and adapt their politics as they see fit later.

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