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  • #34174

    Kristina
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    I caught a snippet of a recent Georgia count update press statement. They had to keep emphasizing ‘legal’ votes being counted, and subsequently went on to explain some fairly basic election mechanics I am not entirely certain they would have ordinarily. For instance, they mentioned how many votes had been rejected because the voters didn’t meet the eligibility requirements. They clarified that the number of outstanding mail-in ballots was not the same as the number of votes which remained to be counted (as not all of them will be sent in or sent in on time).

    It felt like some extra steps were being taken to counter claims of fraud, especially with regard to mail-in ballots.

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    #34179

    jakelafort
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    In retrospect it would have been better to have video coverage of all vote counting. We knew Trump would cry the blues up and down with mail in ballots. We could have avoided recounts or allegations of chicanery by having close circuit viewing.

    #34285

    Unseen
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    Clearly, it was mail-in voting that gave Biden his victory. Republicans watched in despair and horror as early leads by Trump due to heavily Republican in-person voting faded away as heavily Democrat mail-in votes were counted.

    It’s accepted wisdom that the fewer the people who vote, the better GOP does in elections.

    It just makes obvious sense, then, that there will be a push in the GOP-dominated state legislatures to repeal mail-in voting laws.

    The GOP will feel a need generally to engage in further vote suppression and with redrawing congressional district boundaries coming up during Biden’s tenure as President, expect them to try to gerrymander districts to reduce Democrat influence, which explains the added importance of the Dems taking back the Senate in the upcoming January run-off elections for Georgia Senators.

    #34288

    PopeBeanie
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    Excerpt [italics mine] from CNN [full story] after Trump fired the Secretary of Defense Esper today:

    After National Guard troops and US Park Police violently dispersed peaceful protestors in June, so Trump could hold a photo op in Lafayette Square, Esper took extra caution to try to keep the US military out of the realm of the President’s political desires.

    Esper’s rift with the President deepened after he said in a June press briefing that he did not support using active-duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States triggered by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police.

    Esper, who did not want US troops in the streets during the unrest over the summer, told the President not to invoke the Insurrection Act, and in recent months was subjected to White House ire over his insistence that the Pentagon and US military not be part of the President’s reelection campaign, in contrast to the actions of Attorney General William Barr, Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Agriculture Secretary Sonny Purdue.

    #34291

    Glen D
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    @popebeanie

    “It’s accepted wisdom that the fewer the people who vote, the better GOP does in elections.”

    Certainly that seems the intuitive position.  I can’t remember seeing any data to support that claim, but it could be true I guess.

    Anyway, it’s been entertaining trying to  predict what Donald will do next.

    Read  some pundit this morning on Huffpost US I think. His opinion was that Donald will not concede regardless. Nor will he attend the inauguration. Instead, he will retreat to his golf course to have a think. That it’s not unlikely that he will set up his own online TV channel and that he will continue to be a divisive voice in American life. He needs to take care; he’s already close to being a poe.  Seems to me, that after losing at anything, Donald’s next least favourite thing would be to be laughed at.

    Of course all that is assuming he isn’t indicted for any one of several offences.  I’ve been wondering what happened to all the allegations of sexual assault?

    Oh, the same chap opined that Donald might try to pardon himself. That if he tries that he will discover there are limits to the power of presidential pardons and that such an attempt  would probably go  to the Supreme Court.

    #34314

    There has been a case of voter fraud discovered…….by a Republican support.

     

    er of Trump!

    #34389

    Ivy
    Participant

    Lol I’m grateful that so far the judges overseeing Trump’s attempts to lie steal and cheat his way into a second term are holding the line. It’s predictable and very sad (but not surprising) how many republicans still back him. It’s very very sad that so many people are so willfully blind and stupid to the detriment of our democracy. This problem is not going to go away on January 20th. Thankfully I think Joe Biden may be the man to start steering it back. He has old time friends on the Republican side that may in the end do the right thing including Mitch McConnel (I HOPE!)

    #34394

    Unseen
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    A lot of people are worried about why Trump is shaking up the military and the intelligence apparatus. People worry that he’s setting up a military coup of some sort. Don’t be put off by his redneck appearance, he’s smart. Check out his many other videos as well.

     

    #34397

    jakelafort
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    Redneck is assumiing a coup is accomplished using military.

    There are already Trumpers in Washington. Add anti-Trumpers. Violence ensues. Orange man encourages his forces to stand up after having stood down. More and more Trump to my Lou assemble in DC and around the White House. The numbers are in the hundreds of thousands. They are in a frenzy.

    Now what? The question may arise whether the military will oppose a coup as opposed to delivering a coup.

    #34400

    Kristina
    Participant

    Redneck is assumiing a coup is accomplished using military.

    I don’t think he’s assuming that. I believe he’s responding to the specific concern that Trump would attempt to mobilize military forces to retain power.

    #34402

    Unseen
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    Redneck is assumiing a coup is accomplished using military.

    I don’t think he’s assuming that. I believe he’s responding to the specific concern that Trump would attempt to mobilize military forces to retain power.

    I agree. He’s pointing out that (a) the military swears allegiance to the Constitution not the President, (b) they hate his guts, and (c) it’s a practical impossibility to enforce such a coup nationwide anyway.

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    #34404

    jakelafort
    Participant

    I only listened to the first 3 or 4 minutes. However i recall Redneck saying that if Trump attempts to subvert the election he will do it in the courts, not the military. He is omitting the other obvious possibility so by implication he thinks it is only the military that can effectuate a coup.

    #34405

    Kristina
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    You only need to watch the first minute to see you are overreaching. He talks about addressing the ‘elephant in the room’ and refers to something the media has been talking about (irresponsibly, in his opinion). He then clarifies that thing–the elephant, so to speak–is “what a sitting president would need to use the US military to maintain control after he or she loses an election.” That was the scope of the topic.

    The narrowness of that scope and his statement on Trump’s most likely course of trying to overturn the result doesn’t logically infer that those are the only possible options he acknowledges. It means he’s talked about what he thinks is likely with regard to a) a specific thing being talked about in the media, and b) what he thinks Trump will likely do as opposed to ‘a)’.

    #34406

    jakelafort
    Participant

    I think you are correct Kristina.

    #34416

    Unseen
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