Ukraine has already lost the war

[TheEncogitationer]

Unseen,

Ukrainians were persecuting their Russian speakers before Putin’s invasion, giving Putin a figleaf for the invasion. While it likely never arose to the level of genocide or ethnic cleansing, atrocities did happen perpetrated by the Azov brigade and other extreme right ultranationalists.

While instances of ethnic discrimination and hatred probably exist everywhere, if this is as bad as some say, why did ethnic Russian Ukrainians oppose Putin’s invasion? And why do Russians in Russia oppose the invasion so much that combat-eligible men are fleeing to other countries to avoid conscription?

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[TheEncogitationer]

Unseen,

How about by forcing Ukraine to overextend itself and then outflanking its forces or by tricking them to concentrate in one area allowing a Russian incursion elsewhere(?).

Very adept tactical thinking, but doesn’t this concede what I’ve said all along? That Putin doesn’t just want “the Donbass, but no further” but the whole of Ukraine, as a stepping stone to more territory throughout Eastern Europe, until the old Empire is restored?

[jakelafort]

Would you prefer a world government run by A. I. and programmed to effectuate universal human rights? Programmed to prevent war? Programmed to protect the marginilized and in-need yet continue free markets that reward hard work and initiative? Programmed to enhance the development and distribution of health care made universal and lacking in a profit motive? Markets in which big business has zero influence on governance?

Woops i was dreaming.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

What this war boils down to is-shit, piss, corruption, snots, 21 assholes tied in a knot.

Whatever the moral marass done by leaders on both sides, one thing is not a matter of dispute: Both the Ukrainian people and the Russian people need to be rid of Vladamir Putin’s tyranny and plunder.

Then, once out from under that, Russians can get beck to the dream of a freer society lost since the Nineties. Ukrainians can then throw off the oppressive wartime measures of Zelenskyy (which should be easier, since Zelenskyy did give private citizens arms,) and we in the U.S. can tell Northrup, Raytheon, Springfield Armory, and the rest to earn their keep from the private sector, not from military contracts.

[Unseen]

@Davis

Politicians do have to serve those who can get them reelected, because the #1 purpose of any elected official is to get elected and to get reelected. On those rare occasions when a politician is honest with the electorate, it often costs them the next election. They lie to us because we want them to do so.

[Unseen]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

While instances of ethnic discrimination and hatred probably exist everywhere, if this is as bad as some say, why did ethnic Russian Ukrainians oppose Putin’s invasion? And why do Russians in Russia oppose the invasion so much that combat-eligible men are fleeing to other countries to avoid conscription?

Russia did hold an election that doesn’t meet most democratic standards, many believe that there is enough of a separatist sentiment in Donbas that not much Russian pressure would be needed for Russia to win.

I’m not sure the lack of enthusiasm for the war in Russia figures in in any relevant way.

[Unseen]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Unseen,

How about by forcing Ukraine to overextend itself and then outflanking its forces or by tricking them to concentrate in one area allowing a Russian incursion elsewhere(?).

Very adept tactical thinking, but doesn’t this concede what I’ve said all along? That Putin doesn’t just want “the Donbass, but no further” but the whole of Ukraine, as a stepping stone to more territory throughout Eastern Europe, until the old Empire is restored?

I made no indication that the tactics I described were anything other than an attempt to win the buffer areas.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

Would you prefer a world government run by A. I. and programmed to effectuate universal human rights? Programmed to prevent war? Programmed to protect the marginilized and in-need yet continue free markets that reward hard work and initiative? Programmed to enhance the development and distribution of health care made universal and lacking in a profit motive? Markets in which big business has zero influence on governance?

Woops i was dreaming.

The G.I.G.O. Murphy’s Law (“Garbage In, Garbage Out”) applies to humans, AI, and every computational device in between.

Thus, an AI programmed with garbage attempted by The League of Nations and The United Nations would have no different result and indeed may spit it back out even worse.

That said, AI combined with mecha-electronics and Nanotech could do the algorythmic calculations to test and approve safe and effective drugs and medical devices much faster and cheaper than human bureaucracies like the FDA. This would do much more for health care than third-party payments, waiting lines, and administrative skim off the top.

AI combined with Mecha-Electronics and Nanotech could also be useful in pin-pointing and executing defensive and counter-attack moves in weapon systems while avoiding collateral damage to civilians.

Not entirely a dream. As Unbeliever Chris Rea would observe, we’re working on it.

[jakelafort]

Enco, the problem is not necessarily with the programming. It would in my hypothetical be by the best logicians, philosophers, statesmen. The problem is it is utterly unrealistic. Never gonna happen. Bertrand Russell was hopeful that a world gov. would emerge. And he was not alone in that hope. But aine nevah gonna happen.

I wrote run by A. I. cuz any government run by humans is going to be corrupt. The endless and interminable search for advantage and power…

[_Robert_]

The moon landings are fake. Obama was born in Africa. Clintons drain the blood of children in the basement of a pizza parlor. 9/11 was an inside job. Sandy Hook was a bunch of actors working to take our guns away. Vaccines have microchips, will kill you and don’t work. Trump is the powerful guardian of all that is good and American. Ukraine is a Nazi state that has already lost the war.

It’s all the same. It comes from scared white losers with low IQs and those who easily manipulate them for profit.

[Unseen]

To understand the war…follow the money.

How and why the mainstream media serves the propaganda arm of government. Get your news from the alternative media, not the mainstream.

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[Unseen]

Do you really believe Ukraine killed 700 Russians in one attack? If you believe that, you may also believe that those people from the government are here to help you. I don’t think the U.S. could kill 700 Russians in Ukraine in one day using only conventional weapons.

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[Unseen]

If you want truth rather than American, Ukraine, and Russian propaganda, you have to go to sources run by real independent journalists like Chris Hedges

or TheGrayZone.com.

Zelensky, media lackeys caught in most dangerous lie yet

FTX partnership with Ukraine is latest chapter in shady Western aid saga

 

 

[TheEncogitationer]

Unseen,

I don’t think the U.S. could kill 700 Russians in Ukraine in one day using only conventional weapons.

Oh, it’s quite simple. There are several ways they could do it.

700 U.S. Marine Corps Snipers could fire once…
350 U.S. Marine Corps Snipers could fire twice…
175 U.S. Marine Corps Snipers could fire thrice…

After all, their motto is: “One Shot, One Kill.”

And if they use high-powered solid steel rounds and Putin is dumb enough to send his troops in formation, the U.S. Marine Corps Sniper could make one shot and get in several kills per shot.

Also, none of this is to mention anti-tank weaponry and rocketry to take out multiple troops in one vehicle. 700 in one day? Easy pickings!

Let’s hope Ukrainians are getting this kind of training and munitions as they continue their struggle to exist and to be free.

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TheEncogitationer wrote:

Unseen,

I don’t think the U.S. could kill 700 Russians in Ukraine in one day using only conventional weapons.

Oh, it’s quite simple. There are several ways they could do it. 700 U.S. Marine Corps Snipers could fire once… 350 U.S. Marine Corps Snipers could fire twice… 175 U.S. Marine Corps Snipers could fire thrice… After all, their motto is: “One Shot, One Kill.” And if they use high-powered solid steel rounds and Putin is dumb enough to send his troops in formation, the U.S. Marine Corps Sniper could make one shot and get in several kills per shot.

Sometimes I wish I could tell if you were joking or not.

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