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  • #49106

    _Robert_
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    I consider myself a centrist-liberal these days, but I gotta say, all these “woke movies” suck. The man-o-sphere is right about this one, LOL.

    #49108

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    I’ve been watching some TV series on Netflix that go back a half-dozen years or so, and I’m surprised by all the produced wokeness that far back.

    Today I don’t know what people mean when they use that term any more. Its exact meaning tends to depend on who’s speaking it. I just cover my ears and blow raspberries, now.

    #49109

    Simon Paynton
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    Even Star Trek was “woke” (progressive).  When the message is rammed down my throat using crass caricatures, I find it all a bit worthy and dull and I switch off.  I prefer human stories with some humour.

    #49110

    RichRaelian
    Participant

    Hi! I have a movie recommendation its a old black and white movie called,”Inherit the Wind!”

    #49111

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    ”Inherit the Wind!”

    Sounds interesting:  “The controversial subject of evolution versus creation causes two polar opposites to engage in one explosive battle of beliefs. “

    #49112

    Noel
    Participant

    Can you guys give some examples of WOKE movies? I’m having a hard time even with the definition to the word WOKE.

    Thanks

    #49113

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    I’m having a hard time even with the definition to the word WOKE.

    I think in the context of movies, it means “humourless puritans”.

    #49114

    _Robert_
    Participant

    Ah, mostly reissues of 80s/90s blockbusters like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, even Ghost Busters (2016) where white hero guys are now useless and a strong woman character kicks ass. They all fail at the box office and gender substitution and CGI are no replacements for good acting and great character development/storytelling.

    I’m all for strong female leads but hell, make a good flick. Indy-Jones 5 is gonna need to earn $1B to be profitable. There’s no way, the lead is insufferable.

    #49115

    Simon Paynton
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    I watch a lot of female-led movies or movies about all kinds of people, and they’re great, because they’re about real life.  But when it has to be Woke and they lay on the crass stereotypes with a trowel – it’s boring.

    #49116

    _Robert_
    Participant

    I watch a lot of female-led movies or movies about all kinds of people, and they’re great, because they’re about real life. But when it has to be Woke and they lay on the crass stereotypes with a trowel – it’s boring.

    I agree completely. Especially when every single white male is reduced. This is the kind of bullshit that ran people of into MAGA land.

    #49117

    Simon Paynton
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    This is the kind of bullshit that ran people of into MAGA land.

    I think it provides legitimate fuel for them to get pissed off about.  But I don’t think they’re rational people in the first place – they don’t necessarily want what rational people want.  They’re coming from a completely batshit angle.

    #49118

    _Robert_
    Participant

    This is the kind of bullshit that ran people of into MAGA land.

    I think it provides legitimate fuel for them to get pissed off about. But I don’t think they’re rational people in the first place – they don’t necessarily want what rational people want. They’re coming from a completely batshit angle.

    If you watch just a few anti-woke videos or pro Trump videos you will get a flood of ultra-right-wing feeds to your channel. Same with Twitter (and the same with Anti-right stuff). So yeah, just a nudge is all it takes to expose any of us ‘sheep’ t0 extremism.

    #49119

    Noel
    Participant

    Damn! You guys are rough (LOL).

    I liked Captain Marvel! Brie Larson is so easy on the eyes! And as powerful as she was in that movie the writers made sure Thanos kicked her ass in the last installment of the Avengers. (is my geek showing?)

    Jessica Chastain in Zero Dark Thirty. Loved her performance. Was that Woke? I don’t fucking know (LoL) I’m so confused.

    I can see how MAGA’s can label movies with a strong female character as crap. They’re deathly afraid of strong female characters. Whether in the movies or in real life.

    #49120

    _Robert_
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    Damn! You guys are rough (LOL). I liked Captain Marvel! Brie Larson is so easy on the eyes! And as powerful as she was in that movie the writers made sure Thanos kicked her ass in the last installment of the Avengers. (is my geek showing?) Jessica Chastain in Zero Dark Thirty. Loved her performance. Was that Woke? I don’t fucking know (LoL) I’m so confused. I can see how MAGA’s can label movies with a strong female character as crap. They’re deathly afraid of strong female characters. Whether in the movies or in real life.

    If a billion-dollar movie like the new Indiana Jones flops, it’s not just because the MAGAts hate a strong woman lead. I would say ‘woke’ gone wrong is when the gender/race/sexuality selection of characters becomes the main point of morality in a story that really is not about that.

    Do people really wanna see the iconic hero Indianna Jones character old, broken and being replaced by an obnoxious young woman who in one scene has to literally tell us she is strong and beautiful. I was excited to see this film till I viewed a few plot spoilers and listened to the interviews of the actors, director and producer and well yeah, it was all about the “strong woman”. That’s not why I want to see an Indy Jones action-adventure movie. There are other movies about that.

    #49121

    jakelafort
    Participant

    https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/265-religion-anti-racism

    I’ve linked the above earlier. Worth a listen.

    We’ve discussed this topic and it is a mistake to paint wokeism with a broad brush. However the movement is history repeating itself in terms of human nature. It is my contention that any form of ideology is anathema to reason and the greater good. Obviously religion is front and center. But so are other manifestations of political ideology. Avowed libertarians, socialists, communists etc etc embrace their beliefs in a manner that causes them to reconcile facts with their beliefs and to engage in blatant confirmation bias.

    Another example is feminism, also well intentioned and very much necessary. Yet it has in some of its iterations become a religion. Read a book some time ago by a Jewish feminist who described how she and anything associated with Jews or Israel had gotten black-balled. Just blatant racism/discrimination. Jews were not allowed to speak at feminist gatherings and ultimately to even be there.

    A little tip from your uncle larry: if you buy hook, line and sinker every drop of koolaid ideology you have lost it. You are the exact opposite of a freethinker, assuming such a unicorn even exists.

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