Atheism and Spirituality

Atheist seeking spirituality?

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    Jody Lee
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    So, I don’t believe in creationism. No deity for me. However, I have an unfulfilled desire for some type of spirituality. Is this a humanistic, natural need?

    #27690

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    You’ll hear some atheists boo at the idea, especially if someone “spiritual” feels that some kind of invisible force or entity is consciously connected to their reality. In my opinion, spiritual feelings are perfectly natural, but can lead to unfounded beliefs, often harmless but sometimes debilitating or downright delusional.

    I believe that one, strong need among humans is to feel connected to each other, to feel wanted, and to feel like one has found and is fulfilling an important purpose. And I believe rather strongly that this human tendency evolved to help role playing and group survival, but as no one should be surprised to see, this tendency in its extreme can lead to pretty outrageous or even warlike behavior.

    So trying to imagine higher powers and higher purposes had some benefit during human evolution (imo), but when it becomes dogmatically exaggerated and ingrained deeply in culture–even forcefully taught to the young, there’s a really high probability that it will grow into something outrageous and dangerous, or even apocalyptic and fatalistic.

    Other than spirituality spawning that kind of pathology, I think it can be benign, enjoyable, insightful, and fulfilling.

    #27691

    Ivy
    Participant

    @jody Lee

    Welcome!

    We differ in opinions on this forum….me personally? I see there is a LOT of scientific evidence to support the idea that we ARE wired this way. It IS innate….si me personally? I no longer fight it and just embrace it. We are the way we are for a reason. Trying to be something or someone you’re not is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth

    #27706

    Jody Lee
    Participant

    I feel like there is a way to find spirituality THROUGH the beauty of science. I guess I’m just looking for that pathway. And I know it may be a ‘boo’d” topic among atheists, but I agree with Ivy…it IS innate.

    #27707

    Ivy
    Participant

    @jody

    THANK YOU

    Sorry to say but it is a boo’d topic among atheists. People will tell you things like, “where is your “evidence?”….I’ve decided after mulling it over that NO ONE has evidence for everything. And people believe things all the time without fully understanding them. That’s one reason I don’t really consider myself an “atheist.” I don’t fit the mold. I don’t know how to label myself so I don’t even try.

    One interest of mine is living in the wild without any modern day gadgets. I’ve been studying the topic. I think living like our ancestors getting that connected with nature and having that wisdom is ONE (of many) paths you could take to seeking that spirituality you’re talking about. IMHO it’s the most natural way. It’s not easy though because it requires learning things you won’t find at your local community college 😂

     

    #27708

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    This is my version of spirituality, based on evolution.  It’s probably not for everyone because it’s highly systematic, but it works for me.  The first part links morality and spirituality, and the “spiritual” parts are then the later entries in the menu.

    #27710

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    If you have any questions or anything, let me know.

    #27711

    Unseen
    Participant

    So, I don’t believe in creationism. No deity for me. However, I have an unfulfilled desire for some type of spirituality. Is this a humanistic, natural need?

    What is this spirituality of which you speak? If you didn’t have it,  what would that mean? I think the problem for atheists is the word “spirit” which is a synonym for “soul” and “ghost.” That implies a dualism that is anathema to modern science and which very few philosophers place any stock in.

    So, maybe you’d be better off using a different word than “spiritual.” Can you think of a less-charged synonym?

    #27713

    Ivy
    Participant

    So, maybe you’d be better off using a different word than “spiritual.” Can you think of a less-charged synonym?

    Translation: Any word with the word spirit makes atheists uncomfortable, can you please change to accommodate?

    So typical

    (Sigh, 🙄)

    #27714

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    What is this spirituality of which you speak?

    One of its meanings is “self-transformation for the better”.  Another usage is “connection to something greater than oneself”.

    #27715

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    I’ve heard it spoken of in a military-battlefield context as simply “relating to well-being”.

    #27718

    Jody Lee
    Participant

    I am enjoying the differences if opinion. I AM seeking a connection to something greater and I know that exists through the energy of living matter. I mean…our human transformation alone is proof. “We are all made of stardust. ” Right? I want to use this to design a logical spiritual (no Unseen, I choose to use this term now solely to annoy you, all in good fun) practice.

    I need a crutch, if you will, to make it through this life unmedicated. This may not make sense to some. I come from a First Southern Baptist family. It took me over four years to come to terms with the reality that I was brainwashed. The ONLY this I miss from all of that was the comfort (as false as it was). On some level, I still need that. Call me crazy.

    #27719

    Ivy
    Participant

    @jody

    I need a crutch

    It’s not a crutch. And the people who might say it is a crutch are stupid and don’t what they are talking about.

    #27721

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    We all need crutches.  Life’s full of crutches as far as I’m concerned.  The important thing is choosing the right ones, and treating them in the right way.  Some crutches are harmful, and some are beneficial if we go about it the right way.

    #27723

    Jody Lee
    Participant

    @simonpaynton

    Throughout my life I’ve used many different types of crutches. I’m 35 now with a little more wisdom and still a lot left to gain. I am ready for a stronger more long term crutch. I have spent part of the morning reading over the Healing Principle. I want to print it off to be a bit more thorough in my reading and to be able to make notes. Thank you for sharing it with me.

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