Atheism and Spirituality
Atheist seeking spirituality?
August 16, 2019 at 12:47 am #27689
So, I don’t believe in creationism. No deity for me. However, I have an unfulfilled desire for some type of spirituality. Is this a humanistic, natural need?August 16, 2019 at 1:43 am #27690
You’ll hear some atheists boo at the idea, especially if someone “spiritual” feels that some kind of invisible force or entity is consciously connected to their reality. In my opinion, spiritual feelings are perfectly natural, but can lead to unfounded beliefs, often harmless but sometimes debilitating or downright delusional.
I believe that one, strong need among humans is to feel connected to each other, to feel wanted, and to feel like one has found and is fulfilling an important purpose. And I believe rather strongly that this human tendency evolved to help role playing and group survival, but as no one should be surprised to see, this tendency in its extreme can lead to pretty outrageous or even warlike behavior.
So trying to imagine higher powers and higher purposes had some benefit during human evolution (imo), but when it becomes dogmatically exaggerated and ingrained deeply in culture–even forcefully taught to the young, there’s a really high probability that it will grow into something outrageous and dangerous, or even apocalyptic and fatalistic.
Other than spirituality spawning that kind of pathology, I think it can be benign, enjoyable, insightful, and fulfilling.August 16, 2019 at 2:32 am #27691
We differ in opinions on this forum….me personally? I see there is a LOT of scientific evidence to support the idea that we ARE wired this way. It IS innate….si me personally? I no longer fight it and just embrace it. We are the way we are for a reason. Trying to be something or someone you’re not is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worthAugust 17, 2019 at 4:36 pm #27706
I feel like there is a way to find spirituality THROUGH the beauty of science. I guess I’m just looking for that pathway. And I know it may be a ‘boo’d” topic among atheists, but I agree with Ivy…it IS innate.August 17, 2019 at 5:22 pm #27707
Sorry to say but it is a boo’d topic among atheists. People will tell you things like, “where is your “evidence?”….I’ve decided after mulling it over that NO ONE has evidence for everything. And people believe things all the time without fully understanding them. That’s one reason I don’t really consider myself an “atheist.” I don’t fit the mold. I don’t know how to label myself so I don’t even try.
One interest of mine is living in the wild without any modern day gadgets. I’ve been studying the topic. I think living like our ancestors getting that connected with nature and having that wisdom is ONE (of many) paths you could take to seeking that spirituality you’re talking about. IMHO it’s the most natural way. It’s not easy though because it requires learning things you won’t find at your local community college 😂August 17, 2019 at 6:09 pm #27708
This is my version of spirituality, based on evolution. It’s probably not for everyone because it’s highly systematic, but it works for me. The first part links morality and spirituality, and the “spiritual” parts are then the later entries in the menu.August 17, 2019 at 7:01 pm #27710
If you have any questions or anything, let me know.August 18, 2019 at 3:42 am #27711
So, I don’t believe in creationism. No deity for me. However, I have an unfulfilled desire for some type of spirituality. Is this a humanistic, natural need?
What is this spirituality of which you speak? If you didn’t have it, what would that mean? I think the problem for atheists is the word “spirit” which is a synonym for “soul” and “ghost.” That implies a dualism that is anathema to modern science and which very few philosophers place any stock in.
So, maybe you’d be better off using a different word than “spiritual.” Can you think of a less-charged synonym?August 18, 2019 at 4:32 am #27713
So, maybe you’d be better off using a different word than “spiritual.” Can you think of a less-charged synonym?
Translation: Any word with the word spirit makes atheists uncomfortable, can you please change to accommodate?
(Sigh, 🙄)August 18, 2019 at 6:42 am #27714
What is this spirituality of which you speak?
One of its meanings is “self-transformation for the better”. Another usage is “connection to something greater than oneself”.August 18, 2019 at 10:46 am #27715
I’ve heard it spoken of in a military-battlefield context as simply “relating to well-being”.August 18, 2019 at 1:24 pm #27718
I am enjoying the differences if opinion. I AM seeking a connection to something greater and I know that exists through the energy of living matter. I mean…our human transformation alone is proof. “We are all made of stardust. ” Right? I want to use this to design a logical spiritual (no Unseen, I choose to use this term now solely to annoy you, all in good fun) practice.
I need a crutch, if you will, to make it through this life unmedicated. This may not make sense to some. I come from a First Southern Baptist family. It took me over four years to come to terms with the reality that I was brainwashed. The ONLY this I miss from all of that was the comfort (as false as it was). On some level, I still need that. Call me crazy.August 18, 2019 at 1:32 pm #27719
I need a crutch
It’s not a crutch. And the people who might say it is a crutch are stupid and don’t what they are talking about.August 18, 2019 at 2:05 pm #27721
We all need crutches. Life’s full of crutches as far as I’m concerned. The important thing is choosing the right ones, and treating them in the right way. Some crutches are harmful, and some are beneficial if we go about it the right way.August 18, 2019 at 3:05 pm #27723
Throughout my life I’ve used many different types of crutches. I’m 35 now with a little more wisdom and still a lot left to gain. I am ready for a stronger more long term crutch. I have spent part of the morning reading over the Healing Principle. I want to print it off to be a bit more thorough in my reading and to be able to make notes. Thank you for sharing it with me.
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