fullermingjr

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 8 hours, 26 minutes ago

    @jakelafort, I’m sorry about the accident.  I was on a very dark country road a number of years ago – no street lights and no moon and no stars!  It was very dark, and I ran over an armadillo and felt terrible.  When I read that, I had flashbacks!

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 10 hours, 49 minutes ago

    @jakelafort,  Fair enough. My bad… one of the challenges with the hypothetical (including my elimination of religion in 2200 CE). At least we can evaluate if the logic is cogent. If I was born, say, in Iran to a typical Islamic family,  does it follow that I would be a committed,  practicing, faith-defending Muslim? Place of birth being ra…[Read more]

  • Hey Reg, @regthefronkeyfarmer,

    I don’t know Perkins personally, but I’m no supporter.  As I said in another post, it’s really bad when “evangelical types” syncretistically blend nationalism with theology.

    You also talked about Catholics meeting in their church buildings and holding “Mass”, denying the reality of the COVID-19 Coronavirus.  M…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 1 day, 12 hours ago

    Ok folks – I’m going to go out on a limb here.  Don’t crucify me – pun intended 😉 but do tell me where I’m wrong.

    Let’s keep my assumption of no god going and in addition, get rid of religion, too. Imagine then, not John Lennon’s dream, but to imagine with regard to real human beings, that somehow our world became completely devoid of all…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 1 day, 15 hours ago

    If I follow, @jakelafort, you are accusing all theistic faiths with the promotion and support of slavery, rape, and racism. Am I following your line of argument?

    Assuming no god then, why not categorize such human practices, along with our currently embraced systems that support such practices (specifically the man made religious systems that…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 1 day, 17 hours ago

    @jakelafort – the term “genetic fallacy” is simply the name of the fallacy.  In checking the internet a little, it apparently came from a 1934 text entitled, “An Introduction to Logic and Scientific Method”.  It’s just a name.  Also, standing adamantly against slavery, drunk drivers, rapists, racists is different than standing adamantly ag…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 1 day, 21 hours ago

    @jakelafort, Jake, you are funny! Please continue to use your colorful adjectives- it’s what you believe… woops… KNOW to be true. Like you, I am an “atheist” too, right? Regarding Osiris, Marduke,  Apsu, Tiamat, Enlil, Ahura Mazda, Gilgamesh’s supreme God Anu,  as well as Zeus, Apollo,  and all the rest… if I met someone who seriously wo…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 2 days, 6 hours ago

    @jakelafort, Yes I was raised in church.  Not sure how much you know about black church culture, but I was in a small church outside of Washington DC.  As a high school student (way back before the Internet) I had questions and so I did something novel – I went to the library and looked things up!  I wouldn’t have put it this way back then, but I…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 2 days, 9 hours ago

    Greetings Reg, @regthefronkeyfarmer,  Yes – I’m human!

    You said, “…my main thing is debating with theists of all or any Faiths.”  Interesting.  Hey, I’m game.  Is there a thread you want to start here on the AtheistZone.com, or do you want to do this via email one-on-one?  Either way, I’m game.  I’m confident I would learn something and who k…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 2 days, 11 hours ago

    Thanks @jakelafort, I was responding to the question from @robert. I agree… no state established religion in the US, and all the ancillary implications therein.

    @davis, I too despise the “poison of religion”, and some of what you meant by that phrase I would agree with wholeheartedly but obviously not all. Also, I really don’t care if a bicycle…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 2 days, 14 hours ago

    …when you say “faith”, do you include Hinduism or Wiccan in our public square and if so, what would be the point of it all?

    Excellent question @robert.  I did not include those other faith systems.  In the context of this thread and the context of my response, specifically referring to Robert Jeffress – a mega-church Baptist Pastor  who supporte…[Read more]

  • fullermingjr posted a new activity comment 2 days, 20 hours ago

    Yes, the fallacy of “argumentum ad populum” applies and as a theist, although I might have said it differently, I wholeheartedly agree!
    • fullermingjr replied to the topic Hello All in the forum Introductions 2 days, 21 hours ago

      Greetings Anth Dee – @infjempath.  No, your introduction was not too long.  By the way, I happen to NOT be an Atheist but a theist of the christian verity, and I’m black, African American, or whatever were called now days.   I’m very happy that you failed at your attempt!  Of course, @simonpaynton said, “Religious people can be unspeakably crue…[Read more]

    • fullermingjr replied to the topic Noviembre in the forum Politics 2 days, 21 hours ago

      Ivy – @asianne, I really don’t know.  I have participated in presidential elections since Ronald Reagan vs President Jimmy Carter.  However, this is truly the first time I am voting for the proverbial “lesser of two evils”, and that would be Joe Biden.  Yet, I don’t really know.  The electorate have already shocked the pollster over and over aga…[Read more]

    • fullermingjr replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism 2 days, 21 hours ago

      Greetings – @robert.  I was browsing around and found your comment about Robert Jeffress.  Back in the summer of 2016, he did what he called his “Tour for America”.  Me, being a “good” Christian was curious.  I had not paid much attention to Jeffress but since he was coming to my city and the event was free, I figured – hey, why not.  But I told…[Read more]

    • fullermingjr replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 4 days, 9 hours ago

      @robert you wrote,

      I was surprised how many of my fellow musicians/friends revealed their ignorance because of the pandemic coupled with the Floyd murder. I can’t even talk with them about any of this, they loose their minds

      I also can’t easily have conversations with some of my black friends and definitely some of my white evangelical friends r…[Read more]

    • fullermingjr replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 4 days, 9 hours ago

      @jakelafort I laughed out loud when you said “hate the sin, not the sinners” tuchet! And thank you for the explanation of the mirror neurons and your take on and evolutionary case for the development of empathy. I recall reading about this somewhere but I don’t recall.  I think we may need to start a new thread to continue.  You brought up some g…[Read more]

    • @jakelafort, I clearly think slavery is wrong.  I clearly think all of those other things are wrong.  My question wasn’t searching to find out if such things are wrong.  My question was simply looking for a non-religious foundation for it being wrong.  I’m not sure what my future holds, but I hope to encourage more peace in the world in my own lit…[Read more]

    • @davis, Great response.  It’s the latter, an explanation based on “some rational argument grounded in a reasoned moral system”.  You have provided some excellent material for me to chew on, specifically the idea that “virtue ethics and utilitarian ethics …have had a massive influence on contemporary western ethos [and] human rights”.  Clearly I…[Read more]

    • @simonpaynton, Simon – thank you for your response.  The idea of upholding or violating a norm, or hindering or promoting a shared value may be a good enough answer to my question.  I’ll have to do more homework because, of course, collective values change over time, but this is a good place to start.  Yet, for just about every society that has ev…[Read more]

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