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Sunday School December 18th 2022

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    A mass exodus from Christianity is underway in America.

    Belgium is still among best countries for atheists or freethinkers.

    Atheist groups want Ride-Share Apps to ban preaching.

    Small town angry Christians fight to maintain their religious privilege to discriminate.

    A follow-up to a story from last Sunday we discover the bigotry and ignorance of many Christians. I doubt if Tony Perkins will be dining there any time soon. These bigots are misguided and dangerous.

    Eric Trump claims there’s probably no one who’s done more for religious freedom than his dad.

    In New Zealand the High Court intervenes to save the life of a child from its anti-vaxxer parents.

    World of Woo: Is a diet comprised solely of meat good for you? I think you know the answer.

    Environment: U.S. reaches a fusion power milestone. Will it be enough to save the planet?

    Remembering Hitch: What Christopher Hitchens can teach us about Liberalism.

    Human Evolution belongs in the Science Classroom.

    The JWST is seeing further and farther back in Time.

    The great AI content flood is on the way.

    Does a lack of religion really ‘knock color out of life’?

    The “illusion of explanatory depth” is a bias we should all know about.

    Long Reads: Christian nationalists – wanting to put God into US government.  How an obscure Christian right activist became one of the most powerful men in America.  Why were three Afghan women brutally murdered at the edge of Europe?  Truth or Consequences: A Flaw in Human Reason.  Becoming a chatbot: my life as a real estate AI’s human backup. How conspiratorial thinking is undermining democracy, and what we can do about it.

    Podcast: Psychedelics & Mortality with Sam Harris.

    Sunday Book Club: As Gods: A moral history of the Genetic Age.

    Some photographs taken last week.

    While you are waiting for the kettle to boil……

    Coffee Break Video: Club Random with a stoned Bill Maher and a sober Richard Dawkins. The prehistoric origins of the Silk Road. Aron Ra vs Haqiqatjou (Atheist vs. Muslim) | What ‘s Best for Society, Islam or Atheism?

    #46166

    Have a great week everyone!

    #46167
    Strega
    Moderator

    Thanks, Reg!

    #46169
    Participant

    From the explanatory depth bias article:

    For a quick demonstration of this, draw a picture of a bicycle, making sure to include all the major parts that hold it together and make it go. You know what a bicycle looks like, right? Easy. Now, when you’re done, go look up a photo of a bicycle. Chances are, you failed.

    Fortunately, I did not fail, though I used to photograph bikes in detail for work. I may not know much about fixing them, but I know where most of the thing-a-ma-jigs are located and roughly how most frames are shaped.

    OK, the mitochondria are the “powerhouses of the cell,” but why do they exist?

    Does anyone know that definitively? They have DNA all to themselves which may indicate some historic symbiotic relationship that began aeons ago. A similar tale may apply to chloroplasts.

    How big are they?

    Around a micron.

    Do all living things have them?

    No. Bacteria don’t, at the very least.

    If you wanted to find a mitochondrion, where in your body would you look?

    An epithelial cell would probably be the easiest place to look, but there are plenty of other options. Some of our cells don’t have mitochondria, I believe (red blood cells?), but you’d have quite a few cellular options for finding mitochondria.

    My takeaway from this article, after having passed this little test, is that I am immune from this bias. Or that I recall some trivial details that coincidentally ended up in the article and find it funny when an author’s examples work out that way.

    I recall encountering this sort of bias in myself in my early twenties. Back then I was in that age where I’d spent so many miserable years being lectured that I was desperate to prove I, too, knew things. As a result, I was even quicker to quarrel and debate than I am now. But I’d often find I’d quickly dig holes for myself by making confident assertions and then, on having to back them up, realizing all I had was a factoid propped up on airy belief. Far too much of my time became consumed by filling in gaps in knowledge to cover the cheques my mouth was writing.

    By my mid-twenties, I was beginning to learn that the world is far too complex for any one person to understand in depth. We navigate based on what seems probably true, from our perspective, rather than what we know in expert depth to be true. If you ditch the unfounded certitude, you lose some of the emotional investment that tends to deepen biases even further. (Some, not all).

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    I did not know that about red blood cells. I had assumed that they consumed a portion of the oxygen they transported. Not something I had a reason to give much consideration to but always good to learn something.

    I now tend to pick my arguments and debates more ‘wisely’. I often remind myself not to have an argument with a fool and to make sure they are not doing the same! The best result is only to be able to claim that I have just won an argument with a fool.

    It is always worth referencing a list of common fallacies on a regular basis. Not only do we get to check our own arguments before we make them public but we get to spot them in the arguments of others very quickly. Just listen to the opening argument by the Muslim apologist in the last video posted above and see how many you spot.

    #46172

    Of course,The Feynman Technique will always help us learn…..and teach.

    #46173

    Livestock takes up nearly 80% of global agricultural land, yet produces less than 20% of the world’s supply of calories.

    #46174
    Participant

    I often remind myself not to have an argument with a fool and to make sure they are not doing the same! The best result is only to be able to claim that I have just won an argument with a fool.

    You definitely have to be honest with yourself about what you’d hope to get out of it. Sometimes there is value, but as the adage goes, you can’t reason someone out of something they never reasoned themselves into in the first place.

    Not only do we get to check our own arguments before we make them public but we get to spot them in the arguments of others very quickly.

    Unfortunately, there are lots of social engineering tactics that are more difficult to deal with e.g. concern trolling. It’s not a fallacy per se, but it’s an effective means of sneaking fallacies under the radar because while most fallacies are demonstrably illogical, things like concern trolling cannot readily be proven to be disingenuous. That said, picking out the fallacies does still help in those situations.

    And definitely the arguments we should examine first and foremost are our own. I’ve been accused of never thinking I am wrong. I know for a fact I am frequently wrong; I just try to prove it myself in my own head before I give others the chance. Saves me some grief when I am successful.

    #46175
    _Robert_
    Participant

    Of course,The Feynman Technique will always help us learn…..and teach.

    He was such a talented teacher. I remember watching his VHS tapes while I was taking my advanced classical and modern physics classes. He used common jargon and relatable examples.

    I also took an upper-level mathematical physics course that took calculus to “limits” I couldn’t imagine. I found that class to be more difficult than any of my electrical engineering upper-level classes. There was no way to test us in-class. I worked on the take-home final with three questions for about 100 hours and turned in 40 pages. Bastard even threw in a trap, and I caught on to it just in time and was one of 4 survivors.

    #46177
    jakelafort
    Participant

    Many astute observations from Autumn.

    #46179
    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Reg,

    Livestock takes up nearly 80% of global agricultural land, yet produces less than 20% of the world’s supply of calories.

    Well, if, as many Transhumanists and Life Extensionists think, one key to life extension is caloric restriction, then wouldn’t this figure be a Pareto’s Optimality of prodigious protein perpetuation? 😉

    Also, if more people took the route of “free range” meat, wouldn’t we require even more agricultural land, not to mention more crop growth, more water for irrigation, more nitrates for fertilization, more Carbon footprint for mechanical cultivation, more pesticides to preserve the crops for meat production, etc.?

    As Professor Thomas Sowell rightly observes, “Life is trade-offs.”

    I say Vat Meat and GMO Chop Suey For The Win! 😁

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