Sunday School

[jakelafortParticipant]

Robert,

I have read about that MSG rally. What it does not say is how there were bad assed Jews from Murder Incorporated who showed up and disrupted it. There was also a Nazi movement in California. Silver something or other. Can’t remember the name. What is interesting to me is not the fact that a too high minority of German Americans were not loyal to USA and were waiting for Nazis to do their thing, rather it is the enmity for Japanese Americans who were interned and as far as i know found to be 100 percent loyal Americans. Not only were Germans riled up and hoping for Hitler to conquer and come but the government of USA particularly the state department had Nazi sympathizers. There were also German American business tycoons who helped Hitler.

Israel was a Christian nation? Ha/ aaah no! Jews indisputably and archeologically repeatedly proven to be ancient homeland. First Zionist congress 1897. Herzel was a visionary but it was not a particularly popular political movement among his contemporaries. It was more popular in Eastern Europe than western.

Creation of Israel the modern state has to be seen in context of historical developments that were in no way unique to Jews. It was a time of empires failing and ending. WW1 as we all know that region was part of the Turkish empire. But the clarion call of Jews as a people for self determination was in no way a lone voice. Ethnic minorities in Europe did so. And in the middle east Kurds did. Assyrians did and others that escape my grasp at the moment. So that region after the Turks shit the bed was controlled by Brits and French. They were the same imperialist they had always been. The mandate ultimately divided between them but it was influence of Americans and btw Woodrow Wilson had spoken about self determination for dispossessed minorities or peoples that wanted to see a temporary suzerainty and ultimately self determination. Of course the jews and arabs had other ideas of their own. Arabs in their revolt had been insistent on denying Jews a state and Jews wanted a state.

Since the terms that governed the mandate were not abided by the English the UN as successor to league of nations voted on partition. And since it had gotten sticky in that region and not worth the effort for the Brits as Jewish and Arab terrorists had disrupted things. Brits had also used Jews to put down Arab revolt. So when it gets uncomfortable in the heat the British decided to get out.

Jews never stole Jack shit. They bought up malaria infested land and part of the Negev desert. It was the Jews who found how to deal with malaria. I think Kligger or something like that name was the scientist who helped eradicated malaria which incidentally increased Arab reproduction since during malariaville infant mortality was high. So anyways the shit land that Jews purchased almost perfectly coincided with the land that was in the partition.

Jews ultimately wanted a state even if it was not as much as they hoped. They celebrated. Arabs attacked. Civil war ensued. Jews won. So 5 Arab nations formed a coalition to destroy the new Jewish state. Nothing brings people together like hatred. Again Jews won. And Arabs have what amounts to an obssession ever since with denying Jews a state. It was never about a homeland for Palestinians. Proof is in the pudding. When the Egyptians occupied Gaza no creating a state for Palestinians. When the Jordanians the West Bank same story. And of course Palestinians who are citizens of Israel are better off in terms of rights and opportunities than Palestinians anywhere else in middle east. Jews continually have to defend themselves ever since… Without the chutzpah, brains and balls and original vision of Hertzel it would not have come to pass.

Should we call Pakistan a Christian creation? Syria? Iraq? Lebanon? Nobody talks about such things that i ever hear or read. Jews bought up shit land that was practically uninhabitable and through their determination and intelligence (amazing innovations in irrigation too) reclaimed their ancestral homeland. BTW there is a key document that refers to the Jews having that distinction that is absent in the case of other peoples who formed nations at same time. Christian creation my ass.

[UnseenParticipant]

The trade deficit is due to rich people not liking to pay taxes:

[_Robert_Participant]

Minnesota runs a serious trade deficit on Mangos with Mexico. They should put a tariff on Mexican mangos.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake,

If you looking for an Antisemitic Lefty to cite in defending your thesis, you could cite none better than Karl Marx.

Marx didn’t simply denounce the religion aspect of Jewishness (his Father was baptized Lutheran,) but Marx espoused Antisemitic tropes and denounced his own ethnicity in his essay “On the Jewish Question” where he said that the hucksterism and greed he attributed to Jews would be impossible to exist in his ideal classless society.

Marx also in correspondence expressed hatred for fellow socialists who were Jewish. In particular Marx called fellow Socialist Ferdinand LaSalle a “Jewish Blazing Saddles Sheriff” i.e. a “Jewish Ni-BONG!”

Thomas Sowell’s Marxism: Philosophy and Economics and this essay below make for interesting reading. Note also in the essay how Marxists hatewashed Marx, claiming he was ‘being witty and ironic’ and ‘starting a converstion.’ :

Karl Marx’s Radical Antisemitism

Karl Marx’s Radical Antisemitism

The name of the American pro-Nazi group you alluded to was The Silver Shirts. I didn’t know their popularity extended to California, but the were founded by William Dudley Pelley in Ashville, North Carolina, much to my shame as a Tarheel State resident. No surprise about Asheville, though. Asheville and Black Mountain are heavy on all kinds of craziness.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Enco, i am searching, looking under rocks and in caves for someone who is not that way!

So i had the Silver part right. Weird how the recesses of our mind we can’t always access or only fragments from the depths of our consciousness.

I am hearing more and more recently about the woke right. And i would have bet my life against a dollar that if they shared one concept with woke left it would be hate for Israel/Jews. Just like i knew when Israel responded to Hamas that they would be accused of genocide even though… And the term would be bandied about and accepted as factual by mainstream media and lefty’s everywhere but presupposing the truth of an unsubstantiated claim is consonant with all religion. If i credit a person with even a modicum of intelligence then i consider those who are captured by the religion of Jew hatred to be scum. Was just listening to a description of middle eastern studies at Columbia and there is a mandatory class for all middle eastern studies majors involving the notion that there are innately oppressors and oppressed. There is one class taught on Israel and it is taught by a Muslim who celebrated Oct 7 massacre and if effectively a terrorist. The infiltration of our academia by ideological muslim terrorists is a national shame. There is nothing academic about the pursuit. The Islamists have outdone Israel in PR by a mile and a half. Oh and did you see Quatar has a little gift for Trump? Can’t purchase his influence though. Back to the races lest i go on a rant and jeremiad the likes of which will be biblical.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

I do have hope that when slimy gen z and boomers die off, they will take most of the racism and religious- inspired hatred with them.

That’s just a step away from Antifa wanting to accelerate the process. I believe you once said you were 45, clearly within the Gen-X timeline.

Are you sure you want to add intergenerational conflict to every other sissy slap-fight plaguing the nation and world?

By the way, these generational labels came from William Strauss’s and Neil Howe’s Generation Theory, a theory many have rightly criticized as unsupported by evidence, deterministic, and unfalsifiable pseudohistory and pseudoscience.

A simpler Occam’s Razor is people throughout time can fall on any side or even change sides.

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[_Robert_Participant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Robert,

I do have hope that when slimy gen z and boomers die off, they will take most of the racism and religious- inspired hatred with them.

That’s just a step away from Antifa wanting to accelerate the process. I believe you once said you were 45, clearly within the Gen-X timeline. Are you sure you want to add intergenerational conflict to every other sissy slap-fight plaguing the nation and world? By the way, these generational labels came from William Strauss’s and Neil Howe’s Generation Theory, a theory many have rightly criticized as unsupported by evidence, deterministic, and unfalsifiable pseudohistory and pseudoscience. A simpler Occam’s Razor is people throughout time can fall on any side or even change sides.

When I talk with the ‘young-ins’ in my family; they clearly have very refreshing, nonjudgmental attitudes about race, gender, sexual preference. They all reject the religions that have caused much of this damage. Seems that social media is a big influence. You can always visit the subreddit “boomersbeingfools” to see what they really think, even if they can’t afford to move out of the house.

They had this pic on there, LOL. I think and hope that Trump’s attempt a kleptocracy is “awakening” a big liberal wave that’s gonna push hard against MAGA. MAGA is on the wrong side of history, and young people know it.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

If government spent less and every Citizen, regardless of income, were taxed less, Citizens would have more money to both spend on foreign goods or to invest in domestic companies producing goods and services. And Citizens would gain either way.

Again, not Trickle-Down, not Trickle-Up, but Big Splash.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

Someone older than the young’uns obviously taught them well or they are still in the blank slate phase.

That picture would make the young Woke Ivy Leaguers and their Professors go MAGA, as would Trump’s cozying up to the Saudis. I wonder what survivors of 9/11 have to say about all this?

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[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

I wonder what survivors of 9/11 have to say about all this?

That was one of my first thoughts today when I heard the rambling speech he made.  I also thought about what the family of the WaPo journalist Jamal Khashoggi must be thinking. Of course Trump would not mention that. He does not care about what happened him. Or maybe he really does like MBS too much to mention it.

[UnseenParticipant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Unseen, If government spent less and every Citizen, regardless of income, were taxed less, Citizens would have more money to both spend on foreign goods or to invest in domestic companies producing goods and services. And Citizens would gain either way. Again, not Trickle-Down, not Trickle-Up, but Big Splash.

But I don’t think the people want the government to spend less, since that would likely mean abandoning or severly adulterating some very popular programs which benefit not only individuals but society at large.

A system like we have now where the tax burden falls disproportionally on those can ill afford it is that way because the rich don’t like paying taxes. None of them wants to stop with being fabulously wealthy. They want to be fabulously wealthy. The wealthiest person in the world if they could manage it. It’s an addiction.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Enco

I asked an AI how much does the average middle-class person pay in Federal Income Tax as a percentage and received this answer:

A middle-class married couple filing jointly might fall into the 12% bracket (taxable income between $23,851 and $96,950) or the 22% bracket (taxable income between $96,951 and $206,700).

Now what would be unfair about a wealthy or fabulously wealthy individual paying at least as much as a middle class person in the 22% category, since their wealth is largely in a discretionary area whereas for people in the middle class, paying taxes comes out of income that could be applied to food, shelter, healthcare, and actual human necessities?

 

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

@ Enco I asked an AI how much does the average middle-class person pay in Federal Income Tax as a percentage and received this answer: A middle-class married couple filing jointly might fall into the 12% bracket (taxable income between $23,851 and $96,950) or the 22% bracket (taxable income between $96,951 and $206,700). Now what would be unfair about a wealthy or fabulously wealthy individual paying at least as much as a middle class person in the 22% category, since their wealth is largely in a discretionary area whereas for people in the middle class, paying taxes comes out of income that could be applied to food, shelter, healthcare, and actual human necessities?

There are so many ways the wealthy can get out of paying reasonable tax rates. They have been lobbying the politicians they buy-off for decades. Long-term capital gains are taxed at preferential rates, generally lower than ordinary income tax rates. They don’t draw a salary from their estate. They draw from cheap loans with interest rates less than income tax. They can write off all sorts of “expenses” unlike typical salaried people. Armies of tax evasion accountants know every loophole, are available to their wealthy clients.

Billionaire Warren Buffet famously remarked he pays a lower rate than his secretary. An undocumented immigrant housekeeper from Costa Rica working at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, earned $26,792.90 and paid more in federal income taxes than Trump did ($0) in 2011. Look at this shit-show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

But I don’t think the people want the government to spend less, since that would likely mean abandoning or severly adulterating some very popular programs which benefit not only individuals but society at large.

Argument From Popularity Fallacy. The fact that people might want government largess doesn’t make it good them or for an economy.

Now what would be unfair about a wealthy or fabulously wealthy individual paying at least as much as a middle class person in the 22% category, since their wealth is largely in a discretionary area whereas for people in the middle class, paying taxes comes out of income that could be applied to food, shelter, healthcare, and actual human necessities?

I just said lower taxes for everyone regardless of income.

Ask your AI about the moral hazards and economic effects of taxation and government subsidies and about whether a rising tide floats all boats.

[_Robert_Participant]

When my brokerage portfolio first hit the $2M mark, it was like some sort of trigger. I had all these financial tax advisors calling/emailing me about having consultations to reduce my future taxes. I ignored all that. Then I got hit with an IRS audit, LOL. I think they are satisfied with paperwork, but who knows, DOGE was firing a bunch of them, maybe my guy got whacked.

Save money by firing the people forcing people to pay their taxes. The Federal employee payroll is actually a very small portion of the budget, less than 5%. So, all these layoffs are stupid.

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