Marianne

@ Simon

Her point, since you missed it, is that there are no gold standard statistics and yet these 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 “statistics” are bandied about as if they are true.

Also, what is a rape is a matter for definition. In the movies of the past, men often grabbed a woman and kissed her. Some advocates today would call that at least a sexual…[Read more]

Your statistics are bogus:

She is a conservative feminist (not an oxymoron). Don’t pull a poisoning the well on me by rejecting the source out of hand. Instead, tell me how she’s wrong.

Simon Paynton wrote:
But the patriarchy isn’t voted in. It’s actually a fundamental orientation of males, given the male-female reproductive differences where the male gives up millions of cheap sperm while the female carries a few costly babies. So, the male reproduces by finding as many females as possible, and the female by finding as much res…

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Belle Rose wrote:
My biological Mom died today 😢

So sorry. Staying active and interested is always the best way to keep from going off the rails.

Simon Paynton wrote:
@unseen – you seem to be thrashing around somewhat in your efforts to say that patriarchy doesn’t exist, or that women like being oppressed, or something.

“…or something.” So, you admit at the start that you are arguing strenuously against something you don’t really understand.

The patriarchy we have, such as it is, is thr…[Read more]

Davis wrote:
You are indirectly victim blaming. Zheesh. We get ride of crime by stopping criminals and not enabling them. Again, people can do everything any other reasonable person would, and still be a victim. Your attitude simply enables things to go on the way they always have and makes it hard to change things.

Blame? You blame someone for…[Read more]

You are indirectly victim blaming. Your entire commentary has been almost entirely about the victims and what they should do with little at all about rapists/predators and what they shouldn’t do (and how we can help stop them). We get rid of crime by stopping criminals and not enabling them. Again, people can do everything any other reasonable…[Read more]

You are indirectly victim blaming. Zheesh. We get ride of crime by stopping criminals and not enabling them. Again, people can do everything any other reasonable person would, and still be a victim. Your attitude simply enables things to go on the way they always have and makes it hard to change things.

Simon Paynton wrote:
Because men hold onto their power by force, and by more insidious, manipulative means.  Women go along with it because they’ve been told it’s right / don’t want to be slut-shamed etc.

So, men are engaged in a sinister conspiracy, fearful of out of control women (I guess). Meanwhile, you depict women in a way that almost…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
All the women I know have been raped and/or spiked and/or had domestic violence.  None of the men have, although a couple were abused as children.

I reiterate that either your choice of circles you move in is pretty poor or you’re the butt of a cosmic randomness joke.

Thinking back, I only know of three women who I know…[Read more]

I’ve just said I’ve been in rapey situations, and instead of anyone going “I’m sorry to hear that, that’s bad, those guys shouldn’t have done that” I get “maybe you should pick these guys more carefully”. This is classic rape culture enabling. The nicest seeming guy in the world can turn out to be rapey.

I’m glad to hear you haven’t come across…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
Anecdotal. I heard about it happening to actual people, and also the feminists were complaining about it.

Come on Simon. Even you has to know that such evidence only prove you have questionable taste in whom you choose as friends and associates and the wife-beating circles they move in. Either that or The Gods of Randomness…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
Wife-beating used to be the norm in left-wing circles, long before they got into feminism.

If I express a huge degree of skepticism, what proof or even evidence tending to support that assertion do you have?

@ Simon

But the domination of women’s sexuality in the U.S. is not done by men per se but by one political party, pretty much with the assent of its female members.

I don’t see liberal democratic/Democrat males playing much of a role, so I don’t see it as a gender thing.

@ Simon

So, you’re saying that males treat women like a resource and compete for that resource and that is how patriarchy comes about(?).

Rape is very likely a biological reality. Chimps are rapists too and they share most of our dna

Indeed. Humans have the capacity to rape, murder, lie, commit genocide against millions, enslave, spread pointless hate. They also have the ability to modify this behaviour, by making actually very small sacrifices to increase overall safety,…[Read more]

@ Simon

Males as a group don’t gang up against females as if we are in a competition with them for some kind of resource or advantage. That’s patent nonsense.

I think it goes back to the days when if you wanted meat, you had to go out and fight for the bigger critters that could sustain the group for a while. You can snare a rabbit or shoot a…[Read more]