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    The problem is, the suffering of the bereaved and what causes it is variable. It may seem like a simple issue to resolve when we consider that no one is likely offended that people don’t have picnics on their loved one’s grave sites, whereas at least some (many?) people are offended when people do have picnics on their loved one’s grave sites. But when we look at it in terms of what we normalize, I think problems do emerge. There is a narrative to grief, bereavement and paying respects embedded in various cultures, but what those things look like for individuals can actually be very different. I would contend the sort of normativity we see surrounding bereavement and paying respects does cause harm. Do we challenge that by having picnics on graves? Perhaps not. But when it’s being posed as an ethical hypothetical, I do think it is important to not pander to normative values too much.

    I attended the services for a someone who was 100% irreligious. Yet the family selected a priest to deliver a “come to jesus” eulogy. I wanted to walk out. I decided to pick another battle. I did stare that fuck-head priest down and shake my head slowly in disapproval. It was enough to get him to stutter once. It was a service for someone else.

    The place where a body disintegrates did mean something to my old European Grandmother and to most of her generation, if not to me. I respect that and would picnic at a park instead. However you are right that religion peddlers use death, bereavement and all of the associated formalities to promote their harmful nonsense. It is a vulnerable time and they certainly take advantage.

    #37011

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    All due respect to the dead, of course, but they just aren’t good, fun conversation over great food.

    The dead in their silence are much more pleasant than many of the people around here. The plague has taught me again that I am happier without them and I that I should be more selective with my associations. I learned this once before when trying to make my way through university. Druggies and dirt bags (never a shortage of them) always wanting to drag you down with them when you have a Electromagnetics midterm in the morning.

    #37004

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    LOL, The God Hypothesis Versus Atheist Science Denial
    Michael Egnor

    Big Bang, “Fine Tuning”, and DNA align with the scriptures? Oh really. I guess this brain cutter has never read a single argument against his position (e,g. DNA is not a code) and brings nothing to back his position up. Its always great when apologists quote other apologists as if that is some kind of evidence.

    #36985

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    Older gaveyards (or old sections) are beautiful and have interesting headstones and statuary and I think it is cool to picnic there, especially at night.

    A picnic in a modern section is in poor taste and might needlessly upset some people, but in the big picture it is pretty minor.

    New Orleans Cemetery has old and new mixed and even has ‘tours’ going on. They can’t really bury you because of the water table being just a foot down. They put you on a shelf in a hot, mass grave, concrete crypt and after a year or so they squeegee you off the shelf and load the next corpse. In the summer the stench is wicked.

    #36973

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    Pretty good movie even though Heston is in it. I can’t ever seem to forget he is acting. I don’t know, did he get buried clinging to his musket?

    #36969

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    The US is all set up for special interests and loop holes. For years I just paid maximum taxes and received almost nothing in return. About ten years ago I decided enough of that and started learning and working the system just like the big dogs. Huge difference to the bottom line.

    Nothing in the US is easy, fair or universal. The system favors those with money and the ability to work the system or hire people to do it for you. Compared to the fleecing that goes on by the wealthy, the real welfare paid out costs a mere pittance.

    #36957

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    Thanks Reg. Happy rabbit egg day. So the Pope thinks “the devil” is “taking advantage” of the pandemic, LOL. Literally the mentality of a 5 year old and yet an inspirational leader to billions. Long way to go.

    #36939

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    Yeah, I agree with Davis. The word “spirituality” is meaningless to me. I am sure Simon, you can find better words to describe well-being, so why bother the the word at all. The origins involve the ancient understanding that we breath something invisible and when that stops we die.  The Latin spiritus means “breath”. And then there is the “smoke” emitted from burning a corpse certainly evokes symbolism. Alcoholic drinks are called spirits because we can sense the evaporation.

    What I really hate is the appeal to “something greater”. When every dickhead politician wants to add levity to their bullshit speech….here comes to appeal to “spirituality” instead of just appealing to logic, data, or science.

    #36918

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    I guess you don’t tip a delivery drone.

    When trying to sample authentic pizza across Italy for my bitcoin, I had high hopes. I am forever jaded from living in New York but tasting Neapolitan pizza gives me a good baseline. Once one becomes a so-called ‘connoisseur’ of a specific dish, it is exciting to explore how it becomes regionalized (and of course the local water and soil matter.) While on holiday in a beautiful location and a few drinks in me, I’ll admit it is easy to let the moment enhance my experience.

    #36914

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    I was a bit shocked at how good the gelato really is when I travelled to Italy. They say the same thing about a certain stout beer in Ireland.

     

    #36912

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    My sweetheart’s parents are from Milan, Italy….we lookin into getting her a Euro passport. At least we have decent insurance at the moment.

    #36908

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    How’d it go Pope? Got my Pfizer #1 about 8 hours ago and still no sign of Bill Gates yet. This was at a medical facility, yet there were some brill Sapiens walking around with their barely installed masks doing beard impressions.

    #36896

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    Just read that a guy tried and failed to parachute from the 14th floor of a building in Panama City Beach. I often stay on the 14th floor of the block beside it!

    Probably still thinking he was pretty clever as he passed the 9th floor but by the 5th or 4th he knew it was gonna be all over.

    #36878

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    …my VA clinic called me to set up my first ModeRNA dose on Wednesday! Only about six more weeks of having to worry about taking anti-ICU-bound, life-saving measures. I know, it may still be contagious even if I’m safe from it, so I’ll still wear the simple masks that keep any droplets from coughs, sneezes, or angry shouting going very far.

    Good for you Pope. We also have jab no. 1 appointments set up on the same day as you. I learned of the benefits of a properly worn N95 while working on cleaning out a moldy old boat’s cabin. With the mask off, the mold fumes just about knocked me out as I have a sensitivity. With the mask on I couldn’t even detect it. Those flimsy surgical masks are better than nothing, I suppose. I used one of those ‘N99’ full face respirators as well when mixing concrete, but they do labor the breathe a bit more than the N95.

    #36868

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    I  think it is a childlike view; the libertarian dream that inefficient regulations be removed and the “efficient” courts will somehow liberate us from the greed of corporate boardrooms. What could possibly go wrong with leaded gasoline, selling booze and e-cigs to children or dumping toxins in the marsh just outside of town (like my own employer got caught doing). Do I want my company pension (essentially a contract that partly enticed me to select that employer) to be 100% invested in the ongoing crypto bubble?

    Most regulation comes from some systemic abuse, however the regulations do get crazy in their implementation. No doubt about it. Sooooo the courts interpret the finer points of the law instead of deciding every single trillionth case. Libertarians I have talked to seem to miss the efficiency inherent in regulations (and where they come from) and just see it all as a big pain in the ass to the “angelic” business community.

     

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