Simon Paynton

Unseen wrote:
Simon Paynton wrote: But which ever way you look at it, it’s very common, and much more common for women than for men.

Outside prison.

jakelafort wrote:
Hey Reg how about an illuminating article in Sunday School about rape culture? It is new on me so i withold judgment on whether the left is onto something valid or it is more left BS like Islamophobia.

As I understand it, rape culture is the culture of it being OK to violate women’s rights sexually.

Davis wrote:
Stop enabling rape culture.

Yes, it’s patriarchal and misogynistic.

Unseen wrote:
Her point, since you missed it, is that there are no gold standard statistics and yet these 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 “statistics” are bandied about as if they are true.

It’s hard to be sure of the exact statistics like you say.  The college statistics put it at 10% – 29%.  So there’s a wide range.  But which ever way you look at it, it’s v…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
Instead, tell me how she’s wrong.

She doesn’t actually come up with a figure for lifetime sexual assaults and rapes.  She comes up with a figure for one year, from the crime survey.  This crime is vastly under-reported according to the Department of Justice.

The lifetime rape figures for the US (1 in 6 to 1 in 5) aren’t too dif…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Girls are still in a bad bargain with patriarchy.

I don’t know about this article.  I get the central premise, that women aren’t listened to and have to keep their mouths shut to avoid rocking the boat.  The statistics don’t lie.  That’s a valuable lesson for men, to listen to women more.  But it seems a bit inc…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
You’re arguing that men (individual men) retain their mates via the patriarchy (which you characterize as unconscious) rather than through making themselves more attractive (which would be conscious, presumably). But I don’t think women marry men they don’t find attractive somehow.

What men try and do, and what women want to do, a…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
If the GOP represents patriarchy to a greater extent than the Democratic Party, it’s interesting that white women tend to lean toward voting GOP. (source) I guess you would characterize that as “liking to be repressed.”

Another reason might be the way in which patriarchy gets confused with pair-bonding, since both are general metho…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
The patriarchy we have, such as it is, is through the assent of the citizenry. Women now have the vote and tend to slightly dominate voting. For starters, there are at last count (2022), there were 7.4 million more women than men registered to vote (source)

But the patriarchy isn’t voted in.  It’s actually a fundamental orientation…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
The grandson ponders this for a moment and then asked, “Grandfather, which wolf will win?”

The old Cherokee smiled and simply said, “The one you feed”.

I think that’s very true.  There’s even a precise definition of light and dark: achieving one’s goals to mutual benefit, or achieving one’s goals at the expense of others[Read more]

Kaufman, Scott Barry; David Bryce Yaden; Elizabeth Hyde; and Eli Tsukayama – “The Light vs. Dark Triad of Personality: Contrasting Two Very Different Profiles of Human Nature”: Frontiers in Psychology, 10:467, 2019

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00467/full

It was 1518 people, not 1800 as I state…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
But now I also know that people are monsters and they don’t really give a shit about anyone but themselves

I’m sorry to hear about your mother.

What I’ve learned is that people enjoy doing things together, that benefit them both.  People are “mutualist”: what’s good for you is good for me.  Also, I always remember this: peo…[Read more]

Davis wrote:
You are indirectly victim blaming.

Yes, maybe it’s the fault of rapists, rather than, you know, the people being raped.  I saw on Facebook this column called Trad West (I think it was them – some right-wing Christian group) where they were saying that men would control themselves if women dressed modestly.  Most sinister.

@unseen – you seem to be thrashing around somewhat in your efforts to say that patriarchy doesn’t exist, or that women like being oppressed, or something.

A (as a group, with the help of all society) oppresses B (as a group, and individually).  Does it follow that B people are “Weak-willed quasi-children lacking the will to exercise any sort of a…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
we seem to have good, practical reasons for inheriting a patriarchic society

Because men hold onto their power by force, and by more insidious, manipulative means.  Women go along with it because they’ve been told it’s right / don’t want to be slut-shamed etc.

Belle Rose wrote:
And guys like that dumbass pastor never see any sort of real justice. Karma is a bitch tho

Yes, on the one hand he’s come out and said sorry, which is a big thing in today’s climate.  On the other hand he’s enabled a lot of rapists.  I hope now he goes on a long journey of working to eradicate the rape culture he previously enabled.

Unseen wrote:

Even you has to know that such evidence only prove you have questionable taste in whom you choose as friends and associates and the wife-beating circles they move in. Either that or The Gods of Randomness got you real good.

You could say it’s evidence that patriarchy is everywhere unless reconstructed by feminism.

All the women I…[Read more]

Anecdotal.  I heard about it happening to actual people, and also the feminists were complaining about it.

Unseen wrote:
I don’t see liberal democratic/Democrat males playing much of a role, so I don’t see it as a gender thing.

Wife-beating used to be the norm in left-wing circles, long before they got into feminism.  However, you raise an interesting, unresolved question: what’s the link between societal and domestic patriarchy?  Presumably men follo…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
So, you’re saying that males treat women like a resource and compete for that resource and that is how patriarchy comes about(?).

Pretty much.  Humans turn competition into cooperation via social norms.  The way they obtain that resource is through domination and control of women’s sexuality.