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Simon Paynton wrote:
I would agree with that.  I’m not sure what they are.

Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
Men and women tend to be quite different in fundamental ways, some cultural for sure but others seem to be genetically predisposed or hardwired.

I would agree with that. I’m not sure what they are.

I think most of us understand what…[Read more]

TheEncogitationer wrote:
Well, Hamlet 💀😉 we help them by not destroying the greatest economic powerhouse ever on Earth and meanwhile do whatever is non-sacrificial to see that they stay helped. Providing productive work and education on frugality and investment are the number one way to see that people stay helped.

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@ Simon

Men and women tend to be quite different in fundamental ways, some cultural for sure but others seem to be genetically predisposed or hardwired.

I’ve been fascinated by the many different reactions to the movie Alien, and some reactions have been unisexual while others have been, so far, 100% gender-based.

If you remember the movie,…[Read more]

@ Enco

There’s no greed involved in the inflation? Shortages of supplies and supply line problems drove the pandemic-related inflation,  but clearly a lot of companies are treating pricing like a ratchet system that can only go in one direction. Now that the supply and supply line problems have greatly eased, have the prices gone back down or…[Read more]

@ Enco

If every family made a living wage from one income source and had one stay at home parent, our society would be much healthier physically and mentally.

Having someone at home to send them off or take them to school on time, to greet them or pick them up afterward, to make sure they do their homework and get to bed early enough to get the…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Simon Paynton wrote:
They’re both dominance hierarchies.

I think they operate through a mixture of coercion and consent.

Coercion OR consent. Of course, in a large-scale complex society as in the West, it’s neither one nor the other. Those who disagree with the arrangement may feel coerced, but the coercion  comes not fr…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
Both matriarchies and patriarchies can be egalitarian or nonegalitarian.

They’re both dominance hierarchies.

That’s a prejudicial characterization. Men or women can have a predominant role in terms of decision-making by being deferred to rather than lording over the other gender.

One of the constant intellectual needs we have is to always be ready think “Maybe I got it all wrong,” and for that we need iconoclasts to kind of slap us in the face with the unthinkable.

In the arena of this discussion, nobody can do that better than Camille Paglia. Here she argues that men are the weaker sex and that that basically (and…[Read more]

@ Simon

I’m still searching for that successful matriarchy. Patriarchy has a history of working. As for egalitarianism, that isn’t a system in the way patriarchy and matriarchy are. It’s a description of implementation. Both matriarchies and patriarchies can be  egalitarian or nonegalitarian.

Simon Paynton wrote:
To buy a woman all her drinks or an expensive dinner puts her under an obligation.  She might prefer to pay for them herself to avoid that.

And yet, many women who think of themselves as feministic still yearn for the benefits of chivalry. The best of two worlds.

Simon Paynton wrote:
Your argument reminds me of a book about Islam I read, by a (male) Islamic scholar.  He says that women like staying indoors, and not being able to go out, so “that takes care of the accusation that Islam represses women”.

Your arguments remind me of a guy interpreting shadows in Socrates’ famous cave.

You claim not to beli…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:
It’s true that in the classical evolutionary great ape patriarchy model, females are protected and cared for by the alpha male.  But biologically, this is for the purpose of keeping them safe for reproduction.  It comes as part of the package of the classical model.

Women are physically a bit more vulnerable than men, esp…

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Simon Paynton wrote:
Complete egalitarianism gives women freedom from patriarchy too, for the same reasons (mobility, independence from individuals, lack of power structures, etc.), and since men aren’t competing, there’s no need for patriarchy anyway.  These days, since patriarchy has returned with the dawn of “civilisation”, inequali…

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@ Jake

The “free” in “free will” is different from the “free” in “free thinker.” A free thinker is someone who thinks outside the majority echo chamber, not someone who thinks free of the workings of his/her nervous system.

@ Simon

I think, as a general rule in nature, animals that work cooperatively in groups are either matriarchies or patriarchies, are they not?

Wolves, chimpanzees, hyenas…even bees and termites.

Why should humans be any different?

Seems like these are patterns species fall into naturally. What is unnatural is trying to reason it away.

@ Simon

If I were to take the position that “There is no such thing as patriarchy in a democracy” as long as women are free to participate in the process, what could you offer as proof I’m wrong?

Maybe societies simply naturally settle into patriarchy, if matriarchy worked on a large scale, there would be working examples, wouldn’t there?

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Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:
Simon Paynton wrote: But which ever way you look at it, it’s very common, and much more common for women than for men.

Outside prison.

A little victim blaming going on there? Rape is rape, after all.

Simon Paynton wrote:
But which ever way you look at it, it’s very common, and much more common for women than for men.

Wrong again: “Because of the high prison population in the United States the country has become probably the first and only in the world where rape of men is more common than of women.” (source)