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March 30, 2022 at 9:56 pm #42100
jakelafortParticipantIt does not make sense to have women compete against men in sports. In basketball for instance there has never been a professional NBA player who is not a man. A few have been sort of close but not good enough. Hell it is a big deal if a woman even dunks. With males 12 year old boys often can do that. Just not athletic enough. Some shoot more than well enough but lack the athleticism to compete so you’d be effectively denying ladies an opp to compete professionally. There, Unseen, i took the bait!
March 30, 2022 at 9:59 pm #42101
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator@jakelafort – It would take some good coaching for me to figure out that reference.
March 30, 2022 at 10:38 pm #42102
jakelafortParticipantReg, it is from Curb your Enthusiasm. Larry is going to a Dodgers game and he picks up a hooker-not for sex but to use the HOV lane. Meanwhile Larry’s dad has glaucoma and Larry hears marijuana may help his dad. The hooker has better dope than Larry and they stop at his Dad’s and get baked. Larry is having some paranoia but his dad is into it and feeling good. When Larry gets up his dad says, “he blew the scene.”
Can’t find a good vid. If you like Curb it is a really good episode.
March 30, 2022 at 11:09 pm #42103
Belle RoseParticipantThe Senator was going to give her a hard time no matter how she answered. She probably wanted to drag Ketanji into the question that’s being discussed here: trans athletes. She avoided that trap but fell into another. She was in a classic no-win situation.
Precisely…it’s impossible to answer a stupid (obviously politically motivated) question with a “correct” response. It seems to me the question was designed that way. She simply attempted to keep from landing in another word mine…. That being said, I don’t think her answer is horrible. After all she is a judge not a biologist. If she had said some thing obvious they would have attacked her for that and if she tried to elaborate they would have attacked her for that… No matter what she did they’re just trying to nit pick anything they possibly can…. The disgusting new reality of our new status quo of a Christian autocracy 😂 or so they wish!!!!
March 31, 2022 at 1:11 am #42104
UnseenParticipant@Belle Rose
I agree 100%.
March 31, 2022 at 3:38 am #42105
UnseenParticipantIt does not make sense to have women compete against men in sports. In basketball for instance there has never been a professional NBA player who is not a man. A few have been sort of close but not good enough. Hell it is a big deal if a woman even dunks. With males 12 year old boys often can do that. Just not athletic enough. Some shoot more than well enough but lack the athleticism to compete so you’d be effectively denying ladies an opp to compete professionally. There, Unseen, i took the bait!
There are anatomical reasons why top male runners run significantly faster than females. Of course, males have harder muscle but another less discussed reason is skeletal. One thing I learned when I studied Anatomy for Art is that females are generally a bit knock-kneed vs. males who are generally a bit bow-legged. A person who changes genders but keeps the prior gender’s anatomy brings those disadvantages or advantages with them. Look at this couple walking and note the obvious difference in their leg anatomy. I chose it because their feet at ground level are in exactly the same position. Her knees are almost touching, maybe a half-inch apart. His knees look about 6 inches apart, but his trousers are loose, so maybe closer to 8″ apart. Add the skeletal advantage together with masculine muscle and that’s why men run so much faster, that and also because men tend to be taller, giving them a longer stride. After the photo, there’s an interesting video of a mixed relay where the Polish team chose a female to run the last leg presumably because she was the fastest runner on the team. Starting with a 5 second lead, 5o seconds later she’s been passed by four men.
First the photo:

and now the video:
March 31, 2022 at 3:48 am #42106
jakelafortParticipantYeah i see the difference Unseen.
Ya sprinting women can forget it. Even intermediate and marathon. However at least by my recollection sometimes in ultramarathons top women beat top men. In horse racing top females occasionally are as good or better than top males. I think the KY Derby has been won by three females in a hundred and something times. In pure hand eye coordination like pool or bowling i don’t see why women are not on a par with men but to my knowledge they are not.
March 31, 2022 at 3:51 am #42107
jakelafortParticipantI would not be surprised to learn that girls at ages 6 through 10 can compete on an equal footing with boys that age. Then puberty and testosterone kicks in and it is over. I still remember Milly who scared hell out of all the boys in my neighborhood when i was a wee lad. “Lets get the hell out of here. It is Milly!”
March 31, 2022 at 9:09 am #42108
DavisParticipantNo I do not think that Europe has a bigger problem with racism than the US. The US is an exceptionally racist society and the fall-out, especially with African-Americans is atrocious. Just walk around a black inner city in most cities. There are no non-racist societies anywhere in the world. A few countries are slightly less outwardly racist.
But yes, in terms of Sport, fans in Europe can be far more brazen with their bigotry (hence not a single out athlete) and perhaps (though it is a stretch) why an American athlete came out first (NFL last year).
Hooliganism is a rarity here
I think you might live in an Oregon bubble because I saw hooliganism in the US during my several brief trips (including in more affluent cities like greater New York and Boston). I would say working class Boston douchebags seemed as rough around the edges and as openly vulgar as a snarky plumber from Glasgow, Malmo or Marseilles
March 31, 2022 at 12:09 pm #42111
Belle RoseParticipantIt does not make sense to have women compete against men in sports.
My son just finished his first season of wrestling- a sport that in schools they allow co-ed and if there aren’t enough female wrestlers they have a girl compete with a boy. Some of these boys have hit puberty despite being in the same “weight class,” and there were definitely some girls who got hurt. It was really sad to watch them get slammed and burst into tears at the impact of the slam – either hurt them or stunned/embarrassed them – or both. It happened more than once. I don’t remember a single instance where they won against a boy who was obviously much more physically strong…:
HOWEVER…..when you’re talking about PROFESSIONAL level wrestling or MMA, it’s very common for women to practice with their male counterparts. Take an example of Meisha state – MMA – she was a wrestler before she was an MMA star. Now she could take guys. But at that level her SKILL she had honed in such a way that she could win despite their physical strength because of her technique, and she would (as many female MMA athletes do) wrestle guys and male coaches in preparation for her fights.
there was a few instances in MMA where a trans athlete (I forget her name) wrestled females and in a real fight it was obvious that there were huge physical advantages….it was and still is a HUGE controversy because in MMA you’re hitting each other in the HEAD….
So I guess what I’m trying to say is that IF you are female going up against a male in a sport like that, “winning,” is possible if his technique is a LOT worse then yours or if you’re “practicing,” and the guy doesn’t go at 100%, but in physical combat there’s a steep hill to climb that women can only accomplish with professional level technique. If the female is a PROFESSIONAL she can take any guy on the street but going against him if they are both highly trained in a professional fight is a bad idea….that’s why they don’t do that, ever.
I don’t understand why trans people don’t understand that and try to insist that the “transition” makes them on a level playing field, when it’s obvious that is not true. I understand wanting to be treated fairly etc but….I don’t know. You get my point right lol
March 31, 2022 at 12:15 pm #42112
Belle RoseParticipantI would not be surprised to learn that girls at ages 6 through 10 can compete on an equal footing with boys that age.
I used to KICK BOYS ASS at arm wrestling up until about 6-7 grade. Once they hit puberty that changed. But before, I was very athletic and lifted an insane amount of weights and had arms of steel – beat every single boy in my class.
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March 31, 2022 at 2:16 pm #42115
_Robert_ParticipantIt depends on the sport. Women regularly outcompete men in gymnastics, long endurance sports such as long-distance swimming and many of the shooting sports such as archery. Recognizing the median characteristics of “grouped” people is obvious. Asians are generally shorter, so you see such athletes gravitate toward sports where being tall is no advantage. Tropical inhabitants are at a real disadvantage for winter sports because of logistics alone.
To make sporting events “normalized” there are all sorts of categories such as weight classes in boxing. Being best in class is just fulfilling as best in the world to many. I am guessing that additional categories would solve the fairness in competition issue while further alienating trans people. I don’t like a solution based on gender alone but by increasing the number of categories based on other attributes in combination with gender may help with fairness,
March 31, 2022 at 3:39 pm #42119
_Robert_ParticipantI recall the 2nd battle of the sexes involving the young Williams sisters. I think it may have encouraged them to pump iron.
In 1998, Serena and Venus Williams claimed they can beat any male player ranked outside the world’s top 200.
Karsten Braasch, ranked 203rd at a time, challenged them both. By today’s standards, it is doubtful whether Braasch could have been considered as a professional; he was described by one journalist as “a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager.” [1]
The event “Battle of the Sexes” took place during the 1998 Australian Open. Braasch beat Serena 6–1 and then Venus 6–2.
“I hit shots that would have been winners on the women’s Tour and he got to them easily,” Serena said afterward. “This time next year I’ll beat him. I have to pump some weight.”
Venus, who supported Serena from the stands, challenged Braasch immediately after the set to only a slightly better result. The German, who had a fondness for smoking Marlboros during some changeovers, extended rallies and deployed the same disorientating array of spins defeating Venus, 6-2.
“Both sisters are great tennis players and hit the ball extremely well,” Braasch recalled in an account he wrote of the match for The Guardian titled How to Beat Both Williams Sisters. “However, if you’ve been playing on the men’s tour there are certain shots you can play that are going to put them in difficulty.
“I was hitting the ball with a degree of spin they don’t face week-in, week-out. Another key is to chase down every shot. In our match, they were putting shots into the corners that on the women’s tour would be winners but I was able to return them. In the end I won, but neither myself, nor Venus or Serena took the game too seriously—we were just having a bit of fun.”
March 31, 2022 at 4:58 pm #42123
UnseenParticipantLike I said, there are no mass rallies against a particular racial or ethnic or nationality in America. Yes, there definitely is racism here, but in over expression, it’s typically individual actions.
Many argue that the plight of American blacks in large part is due to efforts to “help” them. Witness the relative success of the Chinese, Japanese, and Indian immigrants who have received relatively little attention from do-gooders. American assistance programs often follow up on the destruction of the black family with welfare and assistance programs that will not provide assistance if the household isn’t headed by a single parent.
Hooliganism? What hooliganism? Examples?
March 31, 2022 at 5:09 pm #42124
UnseenParticipantI would not be surprised to learn that girls at ages 6 through 10 can compete on an equal footing with boys that age. Then puberty and testosterone kicks in and it is over. I still remember Milly who scared hell out of all the boys in my neighborhood when i was a wee lad. “Lets get the hell out of here. It is Milly!”
Boys and girls develop in different ways and different rates. Girls start out better at academics but the boys catch up by college age, for example.
I remember a TV segment on one of those magazine format type shows devoted to a feminist complaint that teachers give more attention to the boys, calling on them more frequently. The TV crew sat in on a supposedly typical classroom and, yes, the teacher paid like 2/3 of her attention to boys, often calling on boys who hadn’t even volunteered an answer to a question.
Interviewing the teacher, she owned up to it, but explained that the boys are behind the girls at that age and that calling on them more was simply good teaching, not sexism.
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