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    It may be a Emo Philips routine.

    #30929

    michael17
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    So I have at least one amateur hour question. Preceded with at least one amateur hour supposition. Supposition (open for your corrections): Either–as I think Jake spoke to–1) there are near-infinite branches, of which none will ever meet again and we can never prove or disprove their existence or empirical natures; or 2) perhaps similarly but nowhere near near-infinite-wise, universes can merge back together almost instantly due to some unexpected law regarding conservation of quantum probability. (Yes, I just made that one up.) I.e. maybe spooky action at a distance has to happen not only in the entanglement that we would see, but with another underlying/invisible entanglement that we wouldn’t presently know how to see, that undoes the previous spooky action at a distance, e.g. with spooky anti-action at a distance. Shazam, two complementary mysteries are better than one, right!? Bringing us immediately back from two universes to one; same old single universe returns every time.

    But here’s the bigger question, assuming I’m wrong above, so split/duplicate universes happen all the time and I just need to get over it. Are there any calculations that predict how often such splits happen? Like, if there are a bazillion such splits nearby, happening a bazillion times per millennium or even per second, then maybe there IS like a Quantum God just having fun with us, or maybe there are even a bazillion Quantum Gods who don’t even ever see each other and meet, much less get to know each other very well. AND FURTHERMORE, does a split that’s caused by some Quantum God a bazillion light years from here plus there potentially being all those other localized-Spooky/Quantum-Gods in our shared sphere of influence (or “sub-universe” or whatever it should be called at any instance in time)… it makes me forget now if I ever had an important question to start with, much less hope anyone can provide a useful answer.

    See, my first proposition is the best. Or (I think) it’s officially my Supposition #2. I dunno, everything appears to me as Quantum-Conflated now.

    So I digressed. Still, I shall name this the “do-undo double-action invisible-probability pilot-wave-equalizer phenomenon” (DDIPP for short), and you are my witnesses when it’s time for the Nobel guys to pick their winners.

    Despite infinite branches existing in the quantum universe or Hilbert space only one outcome can collapse into event space at every instance. I subscribe to Penrose’s supposition, that Hilbert space is  a reality and not just a mathematical construct. A Quantum God would be privy to that reality and existing outside of event space with definite spooky action at a distance in time or space.

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    #30931

    michael17
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    If all possible solutions to how quasicrystals tile a volume  exist (a priori) in Hilbert space, then the conundrum is who or what put it there?

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    #30933

    Simon Paynton
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    Surely, and I’m no expert, Hilbert space is theoretical, a set of potential states, and therefore not real.

    #30934

    @michaelthen the conundrum is who or what put it there?

    How is a conundrum for theists? Is it not a cornerstone of faith to claim that God is the Creator of all things, including the Universe and all than it contains? It is the first sentence in their Book.

    It is the atheist that says “I do not know how it all started”. Yet we are constantly told that we have no humility. Theists just pretend to know things that they cannot possible know.

    #30935

    A Quantum God? Stop it Michael. Just stop it while you are ahead.

    If you try to measure him you will never know what position he is in.  Though when Quantum  Jesus was in the grave he was both alive and dead at the same time. No that is wrong. We should express it in terms of probability and express it as a wave function. Even Schrödinger would have approved.  But lets get all Bayesian on it first.

    #30936

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Big surprise Michael..you whittled and carved and end in a place where you wont be jesus starved.

    #30937

    michael17
    Participant

    Big surprise Michael..you whittled and carved and end in a place where you wont be jesus starved.

    Im not playing fair I’m dealing with a loaded Universe 🙂

    #30938

    michael17
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    A Quantum God? Stop it Michael. Just stop it while you are ahead. If you try to measure him you will never know what position he is in. Though when Quantum Jesus was in the grave he was both alive and dead at the same time. No that is wrong. We should express it in terms of probability and express it as a wave function. Even Schrödinger would have approved. But lets get all Bayesian on it first.

    Ok, I won’t even pull a Schrödinger cat out of my hat. 🙂

    #30939

    Unseen
    Participant

    I think I have it. It was in relation to a Multiverse debate. A guy comes home to his apartment to discover that everything he owns has been stolen and replaced with identical copies of itself. Then his friend arrives home and stares at him in alarm. “Who are you and how did you get in here”, he demands to know.

    No bells. I’m pretty sure you were dropped into this universe from the one where I or someone said that.

    #30941

    PopeBeanie
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    Despite infinite branches existing in the quantum universe or Hilbert space only one outcome can collapse into event space at every instance. I subscribe to Penrose’s supposition, that Hilbert space is a reality and not just a mathematical construct. A Quantum God would be privy to that reality and existing outside of event space with definite spooky action at a distance in time or space.

    LOL, thank you for humoring me. So it seems we agree, mostly, and definitely in the same space-time space, er, universe. 🙂

    Edit: Now I wish I had used the word homeostasis instead of equalizer. Perhaps on the next timeline…

    #30942

    michael17
    Participant

    Despite infinite branches existing in the quantum universe or Hilbert space only one outcome can collapse into event space at every instance. I subscribe to Penrose’s supposition, that Hilbert space is a reality and not just a mathematical construct. A Quantum God would be privy to that reality and existing outside of event space with definite spooky action at a distance in time or space.

    LOL, thank you for humoring me. So it seems we agree, mostly, and definitely in the same space-time space, er, universe. 🙂

     🙂

    #30943

    Maybe Unseen. I always had that association when I recalled the joke but I am not omnipotent in my recall as a girlfriend once said, which I found very impotent of her 🙂

    #30944

    @ Michael Ok, I won’t even pull a Schrödinger cat out of my hat. 🙂

    I will accept on probability that you won’t but can you explain why you contend with certainty that the Christian God is the creative force behind the Quantum Universe we exist in.  I mean if you are certain in your belief that your God is behind it all then that is your ultimate reality, is it not?

    #30945

    michael17
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    Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:@ Michael Ok, I won’t even pull a Schrödinger cat out of my hat. 🙂 I will accept on probability that you won’t but can you explain why you contend with certainty that the Christian God is the creative force behind the Quantum Universe we exist in. I mean if you are certain in your belief that your God is behind it all then that is your ultimate reality, is it not?

    It’s a fascinating conjure that He exists in a realm not bound by time nor space. But by inference a believer must accept he must operate in it, if it’s there.

    the local boundary of space-time is defined by a light cone. This boundary is defined as C x t, where C is the speed of light. We think of C has the speed of light but it defines a local boundary of the universe. If you cross over this boundary of the time and space dimension, you will wound up outside our event space. Scientist like to refer to it as  “elsewhere”. and is the “here and now” contain in a “elsewhere”,  and is elsewhere a Hibert space?

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