Sunni Islam and Shia Islam Together Again…And Against Us!

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

@ Robert Fox News gets it right occasionally. Even Cucker Tarlson (way back before he got fired for not playing their game the way they wanted). Strangely, sometimes guests who are actually telling the truth aren’t welcome on CNN, MSNBC et al because the truth isn’t part of the government propaganda the mainstream media’s taken on the role of spreading. This leaves the left and right to dish it out. Whatever you can say about Col. Macgregor, his values are in the right place when it comes to Gaza and Ukraine and his disdain for the military-industrial complex.

That’s laughable. He was pro-industrial military complex when Bush was his boss. I wouldn’t exactly say his values are in the right place when he is a Putin dictatorship/Hamas terrorist apologist. Of course, the North Korean and Iranian dictators agree with him, so I guess he has to be right, LOL.  His wimpy convictions are fleeting as the wind.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Enco

Your rejoinder appears to be based on continuing to believe that there was some sort of Hamas war room and nerve center in the basement.

Any evidence of it so far?

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

That’s laughable. He was pro-industrial military complex when Bush was his boss. I wouldn’t exactly say his values are in the right place when he is a Putin dictatorship/Hamas terrorist apologist. Of course, the North Korean and Iranian dictators agree with him, so I guess he has to be right, LOL.  His wimpy convictions are fleeting as the wind.

And when I was in high school I was a Nazi and when I was in college I was a Communist. But that was a long time ago. I don’t know how you know what his personal attitudes were during the Bush administration because as a military man, he wasn’t free to express them. Did you have listening devices installed in his bedroom so you could hear his pillow talk?

He’s not an “apologist” for Putin or the leaders of N. Korea, Iran, or China. If you can quote anything resembling an “apology,” I’d like to hear it. If laying some blame for Israel’s situation on Israel itself, he’s hardly the only one doing so. So are many historians and learned political analysts as well as State Department experts:

 

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Enco, Robert, and Jake

Do you think you know how Israel was created and how the incoming European Jews were “accommodated”? How did it go?

[_Robert_Participant]

Your video starts a few millennia late. You know when the Ottoman empire and Egyptians expelled the original Jewish occupants from the area. You really think Jews just popped up out of nowhere in Poland? And of course, there was never a country called Palestine (even when the French and Brits administered over the area.)  I am sure there are some unconquered lands that still has its original inhabitants running the local political show. Can’t think of any right now.  But that’s all water under the bridge, isn’t it? Time to grow up and become part of the international community.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Robert

Unfortunately, the establishment of the modern colony called Israel is recent enough that it’s still within the memory of many who were young at the time. Millennia ago means a long long time ago. The video details how brutally the removal of Palestinians was, involving massacres of Palestinians simply trying to return to theie lands. Clearly, you rejected the entire notion of the video from the get go.

They were forced out of their homes, marched off their land, and not even offered adequate compensation for their loss.

[_Robert_Participant]

Well thousands of Jews (and Christians) have also been expelled from virtually every Arab country within living memory with no compensation. In fact, try immigrating and becoming a naturalized citizen in any Arab country as a Jew or a Christian (or in many cases even as a fellow Muslim as well.). The double standard against Jews is relentless. I am glad they are finally saying FU after all the persecution. Even if I blame their ancestors for unleashing Yahweh on to the planet.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Robert

The hostility against Israel is against Zionism, not Jewry. You can find fault with Israel’s raison d’etre and often brutal policies toward the innocent people whose land they took (stole?) without being antisemitic. Had they bothered to treat Palestinians as equals, we wouldn’t be in the pickle in the Middle East we find ourselves and Israel in today.

The Israeli theft of Palestinian housing for the benefit of Jewish “settlers” is still going on. This is Zionism, not Judaism.

 

 

[_Robert_Participant]

@unseen,

You are right. I didn’t know Hamas rockets were only hitting “Zionists”. When they slaughtered all those young kids at that concert, they were actually polling them to find out if they were Zionists first. Now Muslims are committing violence against Jews all over the world. No one is shocked or surprised. It is what we have come to expect from people who stopped morally evolving in the 7th century.

Do you feel that the number of “poor us” videos that are fed to you by YouTube algorithms wins this debate over facts or something?

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert,

Oh yeah, Biden winning is questionable. He’s been a nice return to normalcy, and he managed some wins, but he could step aside and allow a field to develop, just to save us from the tangerine Idi Amin.

Normalcy? When Biden has sent Hundreds of $Millions to pro-Hamas “humanitarians” and released $6 Billion in frozen assets to Shia Theocracy Iran (and mulled about releasing the full $10 Billion) and released Iran’s oil sanctions while vastly slowing down U.S. oil production–all the while chiding Elon Musk over Antisemitism on X, The Network Formerly Known As Twitter, and all the while the Nation has over $33 Trillion in Debt???

Israel war: Biden administration gave money to Hamas-linked groups
by Sarah Bedford, Investigations Editor
October 11, 2023 10:00 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/biden-money-hamas-linked-groups

Biden’s Iran policy is a dangerous mess
It’s fair to ask how much the White House’s appeasement of Iran has endangered the region.
By the Editorial Board of the Las Vegas Review-Journal NOVEMBER 23, 2023 — 6:00PM
https://www.startribune.com/bidens-iran-policy-is-a-dangerous-mess/600322005/

I think maybe some of Unseen’s cognitive dissonance has rubbed off on you. Remember Nietzsche’s quote about wrestling with monsters and all that.👹👺🤔

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[_Robert_Participant]

Normalcy as in he is not a complete megalomaniac madman who is totally incapable of ever actually conceding a lost election. Sure, Biden’s comprehension of the Islamic mentality IS normal and typical for liberals. He cannot even conceive the depths of iron-age depravity that plagues the followers of Mohammed.  I see the Dutch have elected a Trump-like politician. This was bound to happen. And the Irish are burning-up Dublin because a Muslim import decided Allah commanded him to stab some infidel children.

Is this the future that the Brits really want? This is not naturalization.

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

You are right. I didn’t know Hamas rockets were only hitting “Zionists”. When they slaughtered all those young kids at that concert, they were actually polling them to find out if they were Zionists first. Now Muslims are committing violence against Jews all over the world. No one is shocked or surprised. It is what we have come to expect from people who stopped morally evolving in the 7th century.

You seem unable to distinguish between the Muslims who doing inhuman things and the average Muslim who just wants to keep their head down and get on with their daily life. But, if we can radicalize even more Muslims for us to complain about so that we can kill off all of the vermin finally, we should think like you.

Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Palestinian children are firing rockets at Israel.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Robert

Maybe the U.N. should create a homeland for all of those Muslims by forcing the Jews into a small area off to the side to make room for all of those European Muslims.

Yeah, what could go wrong?

[_Robert_Participant]

Polls and more importantly, their actions show the innocent Palestinian Muslims supports Hamas and have even allowed themselves to become dependent on them. And if they say they don’t, it’s BS talk from a cult member to deceive the infidel. Show me a Muslim who actually quit the cult and I see an incredibly brave survivor, probably disowned from the family. These people are mentally challenged by Islam.

 

 

[jakelafortParticipant]

Throughout the Muslim world, opinions of Jews are highly unfavorable. Dislike of Jews is universal in Jordan and Lebanon, with 99% of the publics in both countries saying they have a very unfavorable view of Jews (the remaining 1% in Jordan takes a “somewhat unfavorable” view, while in Lebanon 1% offer no response). Similarly, 76% of Indonesians, 74% of Pakistanis, and 60% of Turks have an unfavorable opinion of Jews.

Above is from PEW. They also say a substantial number of Palestinians in Palestinian territories are cool with suicide bombers. Failure to see Islam for what it is? FUCKING PATHETIC!

As i indicated from the beginning in this discussion there is a mindset, a maniacal fixation, with hating Jews that is central to the instability in middle east. Its source? ISLAM! sHoCkEr ha?

And the progressive left or far left or whatever the fuck they call themselves who are driving these BS narratives about Israel and pretending it is not about hating Jews and sucking face with the cult of Islam are transparent. And all of the mindless followers have shown their true colors. The Jews were expelled from every Arab nation in the wake of the 48 war to destroy Israel. The Palestinians are treated like Joe fucking Dirt in Arab nations. The shit about Apartheid is far more applicable to those nations than Israel. Discrimination in Israel against Palestinians is not racial as evidenced by the status of Bedouins and Druze. And those Palestinians within Israel have it better than Palestinians outside of Israel in middle east with exception of the West Bank and Gaza. It is so clear the Palestinians are bent on destruction of Israel and Jews. All of the shit is just from Israel is just a pretext. Provocations do not make a difference when one people is bent on destruction of another. It has not changed. I guess it could if they had a leader, a cult figure, cuz that is what it will take to alter the mind virus.

The hypocrisy is so thick. Ever hear any sympathy for displaced Jews from those Arab nations? Any sympathy for a people on the run and looking for safety and yet having their right to a country questioned in a way that no other country is? Evil FUCKING ZIONISTS! Anyone discussing the religiously driven get the holy land back for the Muslims? No? Is it just the Zionists who have that motivation even though the need is based on the persecution of Jews all over the world? Any other police action or war that has gotten anywhere near the scrutiny and world reaction of this one based on its relative insignificance in world history? Fish are biting Luke…

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