Woke Movies

[Simon Paynton]

Davis wrote:

Most people who are dismissed as woke, are simply standing up for their own equality and dignity. I’m sorry, quietly asking people if they would kindly treat others with respect and equality does not work. This is, once again, a conservative overreaction to people standing up for their rights, equality and dignity.

But how do you account for the great amount of liberal hand-wringing that goes on about wokeness?  They’re not conservative reactionaries.  They’re concerned with free speech and free thinking and young people not being “frightened” to hear things they don’t agree with.

[Noel]

So standing up for yourself and others because people are homophobes, racist, and intolerant is no longer acceptable? Speaking out about abuse is akin to being “Soft?” If we believe that than this is the most intolerant group of free thinkers I’ve ever come across. Or is being intolerant of others is that a prerequisite for free thinking and I just boarded the wrong mother fucking train?

They use to lynch people of African descent in the southern states and murder homosexuals for being homosexual. They still do. Speaking up about that is WOKE? You bet your ass it’s WOKE! It means that the folks speaking out against this shit have awakened to the possibility that it’s not acceptable to behave this way and also, screw freedom of speech trumping our pursuit of life and liberty. WOKE. In Tulsa the racist legislature just passed a law that you can teach children about the “Tulsa Riots” ne: Tulsa Massacre but you can’t say that it was RACIST. What in the actual fuck? We shouldn’t say anything about that cause it may be too woke?

That shit is still here. It may not manifest itself as a town lynching cause these days someone who’s racist can walk into a supermarket in Buffalo, NY, frequented mostly by African Americans, and unload several clips from their legally purchased assault rifle killing innocent people also pursuing “The American Way of Life”; whatever the fuck that is. But I bet asshole with the legally purchased assault weapon I bet he got his message across with all that free speech that’s going around. Free Speech. All for it but not in theater filled to capacity when asshole sitting next to me decides to falsely yell “Fire!”

[Simon Paynton]

_Robert_ wrote:

I simply think there are better ways to achieve those goals than the forceful fantasies presented in the media.

I think the biggest problem is that young people often don’t have much experience of how life works, so they are impressionable to the media and people out to control their young minds.  So, boys can think that porn is like real life and that’s how you treat women.  If there are incongruous elements in movies or whatever, then that’s disinformation about the world and it’s going to cause problems.

[Simon Paynton]

Noel wrote:

Speaking up about that is WOKE? You bet your ass it’s WOKE! It means that the folks speaking out against this shit have awakened to the possibility that it’s not acceptable to behave this way and also, screw freedom of speech trumping our pursuit of life and liberty. WOKE.

The good kind of woke.

[Simon Paynton]

The thing that causes all the senseless (?) problems with wokeness is the age-old problem of puritanism.  Puritanism is by nature callous, aggressive and single-minded (etc.).  It can lead to evil, because zealots forget about things like compassion and human rights.  It’s on the way to being a mini-fascism, wherever it rears its head – on the left, right, in an online knitting community.

[_Robert_]

 In Tulsa the racist legislature just passed a law that you can teach children about the “Tulsa Riots”.

Liberals practically handed them the keys. So busy focusing on superficial suppression and political correctness that millions of people are looking for an authoritarian to come out and center it all. As if muzzling racists will somehow change their minds, LOL. Now we have a Trump SCOTUS and liberals are losing Federal law and state laws. This is the real price for political correctness.

[Unseen]

Simon Paynton wrote:

This text is from the Wiltshire Police page about reporting child abuse, by which I presume they mean sexual or physical abuse.  It’s not for reporting playground taunts.

Umm… not so fast. Go to the Wiltshire Police main page and do a search on “bullying,” and then on the next page click on “Peer-on-peer child abuse” and then go down to “Report it” and it says there “If you suspect that peer-on-peer child abuse is happening it is always best to report it.” and then if you click on the “report it” link, you are taken to a page with the title “How to report possible child abuse” and you will find my quote about detectives near the bottom.

So, I was not pulling a fast one on you. It’s the Wiltshire Police Dept. procedure for reporting bullying.

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[Noel]

“Liberals practically handed them the keys. So busy focusing on superficial suppression and political correctness that millions of people are looking for an authoritarian to come out and center it all. ”

Yeah, must be so easy for them, despite having a Governor on their side, what with the State Representatives and State Senate majority’s all being MAGA. Also, six of the nine House Representatives in Washington are MAGA. Too busy getting to the bottom of those fake electors and Arizona MAGA stealing the general election madness too. There is nothing centrist about the MAGA movement. But you are right about Liberals and Political Correctness. Sucks being the grown up in the house. I like playing with my Playstation too.

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Noel wrote:

Thank you. I needed someone to explain this to me like I was 10. Have been walking around doing my lawn, cutting the hedges, and power washing my driveway and the word woke is banging around the sides of my brain. I really had no reference or idea about WOKE. So thanks.

I explained what “woke” means earlier in this thread. It’s a system of thought and behavior characterized by intolerance of free expression, policing the speech of others, enforcing approved beliefs through boycotts and denunciations, and proving one’s own superiority to oneself by denouncing the supposed dogmatic shortcomings of others. There’s a pernicious doggedness to resisting the notion that there exists more than one way of looking at things which hinders the free exchange of ideas and further divides society.

You can put lipstick on the woke pig, but it’s just a pig wearing lipstick.

Because of woke someone may soon ask you for your pronouns.

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[Unseen]

_Robert_ wrote:

I simply think there are better ways to achieve those goals than the forceful fantasies presented in the media. Unfortunately, it’s causing a huge backwards reaction, a culture war. Gives power to the conservatives who are already prone to believe in fantasies and who are rolling back progressive laws. They actually fear that gay and trans parades are going to sweep into their farm towns and groom the children, LOL.

It’s instructive to bear in mind the definition I gave above: It’s a system of thought and behavior characterized by intolerance of free expression, policing the speech of others, enforcing approved beliefs through boycotts and denunciations, and proving one’s own superiority to oneself by denouncing the supposed dogmatic shortcomings of others. There’s a pernicious doggedness to resisting the notion that there exists more than one way of looking at things which hinders the free exchange of ideas and further divides society.

Is it any wonder that the price we are paying for wokeism is a more deeply divided society than ever?

[Unseen]

Noel wrote:

But you are right about Liberals and Political Correctness. Sucks being the grown up in the house. I like playing with my Playstation too.

Political correctness is the classic child that’s father to the man, which is wokeism.

It started with PC stuff like “Don’t say this, say that” and now we’ve got all this pronouns nonsense, we no longer know how to define “woman,” it seems, and all the insanity that’s killing Hollywood movies.

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[Unseen]

What agency should I go to in order to get government enforcers to go out and stop people from calling me “old”? I’m not old, I’m “temporally challenged.” Being called old makes me feel bad.

[Unseen]

_Robert_ wrote:

In Tulsa the racist legislature just passed a law that you can teach children about the “Tulsa Riots”.

Liberals practically handed them the keys. So busy focusing on superficial suppression and political correctness that millions of people are looking for an authoritarian to come out and center it all. As if muzzling racists will somehow change their minds, LOL. Now we have a Trump SCOTUS and liberals are losing Federal law and state laws. This is the real price for political correctness.

If they don’t want to see a Republican back in the White House and lose control of the Senate, the Dems had better stop riding the wokeist hobby horse and start representing the voters again. Almost nobody on the street, especially older people who actually go out and vote, feels any problem knowing what a woman is or wants anything to do with pronouns, drag queens at kindergarten story time, or any of that kind of stuff.

Of course, the trouble with getting off that hobby horse is the fear everyone seems to have nowadays of being accused of being “phobic.”

(BTW, when did “phobic” stop being about fear? Are transphobics supposed to be afraid a trans person may rob them at gunpoint or sneak into their bedroom and rape them? What’s phobic about having problems with certain aspects of the current obsession with transist demands?)

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[Davis]

You might note that very little changed in terms of women being sexually harassed, assaulted or raped (at least in open dialogue about it) until the me too movement. Until then, no matter how much people asked politely for it to stop, it changed at a glacial pace. All the while, women being harassed, assaulted and rape in ridiculously high numbers, with people indifferent to it, covering it up or denying it (if not outright attacking the women who came forward and making them pay). While not enough has remotely changed, the powerful and loud metoo movement brought about a fundamental change in how people react to life altering events like sexual harassment, assault and rape. The pushback is still VERY extreme, with people far more concerned with the tiny fraction of false accusations rather than the mount everest level of rapists who get off scot free to this day because it still, even after metoo, isn’t taken very seriously.

I don’t have much patience anymore for those who deny there are problems, and when those who make effective change by standing up for themselves are characterised as puritans, radicals, going too far or that they could do it in a better way. The “better way” resulted in no change for decades and even more rape going unchallenged. I don’t give a shit if a loud small minority go too far. Stop latching onto them as representative of the larger whole, and using that as an excuse to downplay the serious problems that marginalised people face, and the reasonable actions the majority take to stand up for their rights.

Be more concerned for us having less equality and dignity (a huge number) than a tiny minority of people who are loud and unpleasant.

[_Robert_]

Using pronouns as requested as a simple human gesture on an interpersonal level is no big deal at all and most people would. However, rearranging language outside of the Trans community in relatively short order and trying to make pronouns a political issue is the perfect vehicle to further division. J. Peterson and B. Shapiro are making hateful careers out of this.

If the average person was nuanced and rational it could help bring change, but gender fluidity is not going to resonate with very many. I mean so many really believe that Noah saved two of each on a big wooden ark.

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