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Jake,
The problem with carbon footprint and what to do with all of the livestock is simple. Fix/neuter/spay em just like we do to cats and dogs. So they simply live out their life span without reproducing.
As long as the livestock lived, however, they would still pose the same problems as fertile livestock, same inputs, same outputs, same Carbon footprint. And with no one eating them, there would be no economic motivation for maintaining them to full lifespans. Most likely, they would either slowly die in captivity from thirst, starvation. disease, or stampeding–all painful, cruel methods–or they would end up released into the wild where the real fun begins.
You imagine climate change is an issue only for vegetarians and vegans? Isn’t it a problem for all of us? I hope animal cruelty is a concern that extends to meat eaters also. I think some do care. Cage free and free range…
Vegetarians/Vegans cite climate change as a reason to adopt their diet, so I’m taking them at their word. As for me, I deal with climate change in other ways as needed.
As for animal cruelty, a .357 round to a cattle cranium is far more humane than the ancient Abrahamic barbarism of slowly bleeding out animals to death for sacrificial rites or Kosher and Halal consumption. And wouldn’t free-range, cage-free livestock require more real estate to render the same yield, require more pesticides to maintain food supply to livestock, and mean higher-priced meat for the poor?
If you have a cat or dog or even a parrot i have no idea how you can persevere in the disconnect between the pretty meat in the package and the salivation it causes against the pain and cruelty of the animal slaughtered to satiate your bloodthirsty appetite. You must know that a cat, dog and parrot is on a par or in the range in terms of emotion and intelligence as your cherished pet. The pain of having our own pet suffer or die is as difficult to convey as the pain for a human loved one. And yet you can go about with myopic indifference to the plight of the livestock.
My apartment doesn’t allow pets, but any cats and dogs I would have elsewhere would share the same bloodthirsty appetite and indifference to livestock and I would love my pets enough to provide for them. And big fish would still eat little fish and male betas would still fight each other in aquariums if left unchecked by the owners.
The freedom from slaughter and hopefully improved lives would not result in a return to a state of nature. But you seem to think evolution is a fantasy or something…turn “regular-sized predators into monsters”
I’m not denying Evolution at all. I’m saying if predator species are suddenly faced with a bonanza of fresh meat for the picking because humans won’t eat them, then Natural Selection will favor traits in predators most conducive to killing and eating mass quantities. That means bigger and more teeth and claws, a bigger girth to hold more meat, bigger appendices for digesting raw meat, faster legs to close in on prey, maybe even enough intellect to herd livestock. Those traits in turn would pass on via breeding over generations to produce predators more grandiose and ravenous than their predecessors. In a word, monsters.
That is a comic book fantasy, although i will give you more credit than i give Johan for his flights of fancy. That is called damning with faint praise.
Whether anyone praises, damns, or faints is no matter to me. I’m just trying to see and say what Vegetarianism/Veganism would mean carried to it’s full and logical conclusion.
Yeah predators habituated to humans become less fearful of humans. But pigs and predators would not have to be released.
With no one wanting to breed or care for livestock, both livestock and predators would eventually run into each other and eventually, the new-and-improved predators would run into us. It already happens with deer and bears on the edges of cities and highways in the U.S. With the help of PETA freaks, re-sabre-toothed lions and tigers will be combing and stalking our Yellow-Brick Roads too. Oh my!
Jake,
Enco, I will send the aliens your way when they want a human sandwich with spicy humus and roasted peppers.
You do understand that if you had the ear of human-eating extraterrestrials and recommended me as the main course, you would be their appetizer, right?👽👾
Before either of us became dinner, however, I would hope every human on the Planet would aim everything from a slingshot to an ICBM at the craft of such extraterrestrials until they get a case of Cosmic Heartburn.
No need to make distinctions in what is fair game for food. There is no detestable comestible unless it is a vegetable.
I would never say that either. Carrots, onions, and potatoes are excellent additions to beef stew. Apples with pork are a traditionally complimentary pair. Poultry goes well with celery and garlic. Papaya is a good tenderizer for all of them. A lemon twist is great with fish and shrimp. Hey! I am a flamboyant Bi-Soylent who loves soy edamame beans with a tender but well-done ribeye steak!
In fact, like Frank Zappa before me, I’ll “Call Any Vegetable” to dinner as a companion to any meat dish:
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