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[jakelafort]

Enco,

Seems like a weird indictment…for paying informants? Stoking racial hatred? How did the informants do that?

Some years ago i read a book written by one of the top dogs in Southern Poverty Law Center. I don’t remember a lefty bent. Maybe i just wasn’t hip to it. Is there some indication they only want to uncover far right hate groups? Are they hands-off for Pro Palestinian intifada type groups or outright Islamic terrorists?

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

The Hate Map of the the Southern Poverty Law Center (SCLP) has several categories of ideologies that are mostly considered Far Right, including Anti-Muslim–but has no category for Muslim-Identifying Hate Groups or for Pro-Palestine Hate Groups, even though those would probably be about as numerous as the other categories:

Hate Map
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map/

The larger SPLC Site has articles about the Nation of Islam (NOI), but NOI isn’t theologically Islamic, since NOI believes in Prophets that came after Mohammed. NOI and Islam just share the same hatred of Jews, Unbelievers, and the West.

[jakelafort]

Thanks Enco.

Politics should be divorced from this shit but good luck with that. I wonder how the far left attacks/violence line up with far right. Right has Waco wack job Branch Davidians and Timothy McVeigh and idk how many lone wolves and some other major incidents. Not sure how the shootings in schools are even categorized. Obviously september 11 alone for Islamic teror tops the rest combined. I think Islamic terror may get much worse in Europe and EU in event it is being defeated and opposed. I think the attacks have been calculated. I mean there is no way even for the brain dead lefties to rationalize the attacks as divorced from the ideology if enough shit happens.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

The SPLC isn’t good at “living the Dream.”
Famous civil rights group suffers from ‘systemic culture of racism and sexism,’ staffers say
By Nick Valencia and Pamela Kirkland, CNN
6 min read
Published 6:12 AM EDT, Fri March 29, 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/

[Simon Paynton]

Jake,
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-more-frequent-and-deadly-than-left-wing-violence-data-shows

[jakelafort]

Read it quickly Simon but i did not notice anything about Islamic terorism. And i am not sure how that would be categorized. Belongs on left not right. But i don’t see any reckoning. No doubt the wack job right wing racists are dangerous. Hard core Maga fuckerz will kill a bitch. And yet i don’t think they are any kind of existential threat or threat to our way of life. The numbers of KKK if i remember were at one point around a million. And they were integrated into society not like some nut job group of militia skinhead types playing dueling banjos drinking rot gut whisky and hoping a black man will be caught alone in the forest.

The far left progressives on other hand are some kind of threat to our way of life. Islamification of the west is a clear and present danger.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Another story with more detail on the SPLC. “Forward” was a favorite word of You Know Who Else:

After Allegations Of Toxic Culture, Southern Poverty Law Center Tries To Move Forward
April 17, 20195:01 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/17/713887174/after-allegations-of-toxic-culture-southern-poverty-law-center-tries-to-move-for

I think there was another SPLC story at the same time from The Atlantic but it was probably paywalled.

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[Simon Paynton]

jakelafort wrote:

i did not notice anything about Islamic terorism.

Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.

Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history.

By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities.

Examples include the Animal Liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front arson and vandalism campaigns in the 1990s and 2000s, which were more likely to target property rather than people. …

Right-wing extremist violence has been more frequent and more lethal than left-wing violence. The number of extremist groups is substantial and skewed toward the right, although a count of organizations does not necessarily reflect incidents of violence.

It’s all about US domestic terrorism only: right compared with left.

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[TheEncogitationer]

Simon:

There were 2977 deaths of victims from the 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks. Any comparison of terrorist deaths between Islamist terrorists and any other terrorists from 2001 onward that doesn’t account for these victims is an absolutely crummy study, either on setting parameters or counting. And if this is the best PBS can do, it’s a small wonder if they go under.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake and Simon:

All of this is further complicated by shifting allegiances and overlapping interests.

I recall hearing an interview in the Nineties with Alan Handleman of a Michigan Militia head who said that the membership included Muslims. Guess somebody was doing dress rehearsals.

Right-Winger Tucker Carlson also has waxed glowingly about Sha’ria law and now has a home in Qatar (hence his nickname by Mark Levin “Tucker Qatarlson.”)

Left-Wing bloggers and podcasters have also praised Tucker, Marjorie Taylor Green, Candace Owens, and other MAGA breakaways for opposing Israel and war with Iran.

Now if only the horseshoe would turn into an Ourabora and eat itself.

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[jakelafort]

Whether far right or far left it is follow the leader and a descent into violence and debauchery is within the scope of real possibilities under the right circumstances.

I find this illustrative of how easily led and stupid the great majority of humans are. Berkley law students. That should mean something, right?

https://vinnews.com/2026/04/23/what-is-going-through-their-heads-berkeley-students-applaud-a-terrorist/

[jakelafort]

https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/california-big-game-hunter-ernie-dosio-dead-elephants-africa-hunt

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Whether far right or far left it is follow the leader and a descent into violence and debauchery is within the scope of real possibilities under the right circumstances.

I find this illustrative of how easily led and stupid the great majority of humans are. Berkley law students. That should mean something, right?

Disgusting, but not surprising coming from Berkeley. You can feel all the way on the East Coast that Berkeley gives off this vibe:

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

You got that big game hunter story from The Drudge Report, right? He always had a soft spot for stories on non-human animals.

At many blushes, this guy was a perfect candidate for The Darwin Award. But don’t cats show the same kind of vanity when they come to your door to present you their lastest vole “trophy”?

Wouldn’t all the specimens he hunted and taxidermied all either kill each other or eat themselves to starvation when the habitat reaches it’s carrying capacity?

And didn’t the latest war among chimpanzees in Uganda show what Man’s closest relatives are capable of doing?

“Nature is red in tooth and claw…”. Not saying it’s all good, just saying it’s there.

This was a great entertaining educational program, but it couldn’t show everything about The Animal Kingdom without trauma to kids:

[jakelafort]

Enco,

Ya can’t take out the instinct of a feline notwithstanding artificial selection. They are predators to the core. I should not say that because in all likelihood given enough time and artificial selection it might be diminished and ultimately end. But as things stand our little friends are giving us gifts cuz we are part of their posse.

I guess the elephants story is about the intelligence of the elephants and secondarily about schadenfreude.

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