Dang Martin

Belle Rose wrote:
I really don’t give a fuck anymore. My pent up rage is coming out and If you don’t like it get out of my way. This started long before you came on the forum and you have no idea what’s going through my head right now.

I have a really good idea of what is going on. And do you kiss Baby Jesus with that mouth?

You have a belie…[Read more]

It’s like Sisyphus pushing a boulder up a hill. It’s just going nowhere fast.

While it is typically proper decor to criticize the belief, and not the believer, there are instances where criticism of the believer is in order. But I may also have criticism of the question itself.

What evidence would be reasonable or acceptable?

The hard truth is…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
There are plenty of scientific studies that have been done that is part of what has satisfied ME…

…such as????

There are no scientific studies about supernatural claims, because science is all about the study of the natural world. As for the supernatural world, one could fairly surmise that it just ain’t natural.

PopeBeanie wrote:
I would love to see an ex-Muslim’s version of this narrative, too, but the personal stakes for them can be soooo much higher.

I’d like to see that as well. I should note, at this time, that I am not an ex-Christian. I’m not an ex anything. I’ve actually never believed. I wonder how many people are in that camp.

Belle Rose wrote:
I’m not avoiding anything. I’m saying I need to write a book to respond properly and I fucking DONT HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!

And that’s another way to avoid answering.

fin

Belle Rose wrote:
@Dang Martin Im not going to respond to you at all anymore. I don’t want to engage with you. You know nothing about me or my history on this forum and you’re being really disrespectful.

Said the person who knows everything about me. Interesting.

And that is how one avoids challenging their own beliefs.

fin

I’m seeing lots of problems associated with the concept of proof.

Religious Problem: It is clear that bellerose is requiring rather specific things that would serve as “proof.” These requirements are so high that seemingly legitimate and reasonable answers to what would serve as proof are not good enough for her. These articles of proof are i…[Read more]

I’m offended! (A special case of the red-herring fallacy) [source]

When a core belief is under threat from a good counter-argument it is common for many to defend the belief by stating “I’m offended”. Here the person whose beliefs are under threat seeks to defend their position and thinking, not with evidence and argument, but by throwing out an…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
I did not say it was true, I simply stated that they are insulting most people [1]. That is why I think their position is elitist and they are egotists [2].

[1] Nobody cares if they choose to feel insulted, or if their feelings are hurt. This is a popular move among believers. They’re SO offended! That’s known as the Red…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
It is a blatant hypocrisy to take the stance they take meanwhile demeaning the majority of the world population.

This is a fallacious argument known as argumentum ad populum. It is the proposition that something must be true, because a large group or majority holds that belief.

There is a large Muslim population on this pl…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
“I believe in a purple dinosaur on Jupiter” type stuff and you really expect me to take that seriously? Really? For so-called “more mature ” position it doesn’t seem like it.

So, “I have an invisible friend who talks to me when I put my hands together, who will send me to heaven for the mere act of believing, and who will send…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
I just want to challenge everything to figure out what I believe and you keep getting all defensive and presuming like you think you know exactly what I believe and you think you know what I want.

You seem to know what others believe, and yet you don’t understand your own. Interesting.