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Pope, thanks for the link. I’ve only read his seminal work. A few years ago i heard Frans de Waal on the radio discussing Mama’s Last Hug. Did you read it. If so your opinion?

Thanks for the link Reg. Booker seems a decent guy although he said Justin Sinclair instead of Upton and i was very hurt with that…very very hurt…

Unseen you wrote: I love animals, too, but in a more complex way than you and Jake.

Elaborate please. I am curious.

Apropos of nothing i meant insight not incite but that is alright. None of our shit is air tight.

Reg, your NY Times link is blocked.

I have a hunch that long term and too late there will be a world shift against current animal husbandry in favor of lab grown meat. If so it will be self-interest that is the impetus. We as a species don’t even care about genocides. No way as a species we care about other animals.

Good anecdote about…[Read more]

Dat hurt to enter another group.

Credit to Robert for his point about revenge in cross species pandemics. That means the vegans/vegetarians are collateral damage.

Have not investigated but the findings do not surprise me. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/02/220208143307.htm

A big point about meat and nutrition is that processed or…[Read more]

Pope, ya forgot the chianti with the fava beans.

Me luv fava beans. They grow here in CT but only a few weeks each year to harvest em. The ones in a can i have found blech.

Fava beans were a staple on some slave ships. So ya know they’re top draw.

Unseen, i am not aware of any fake burger that will come out rare unless you undercook it. And i doubt it will be good. But the impossible burger has that taste of blood you seek. It is reasonably juicy.

Unseen, why ask whether anyone can explain it when i wrote it?

In other words if ethics can be reduced to natural order equals ethical then ethics is a worthless pursuit. It is in areas of exigency and great suffering that ethics is required. Is any system of ethics sensible if it has double standards? Ethics requires reason one would hope.…[Read more]

Just checked Reg and TGI Friday has the beyond meat burger which is also vegan. Have had that one and it is decent but i prefer impossible burger. Burger King carries it and calls it has an impossible whopper. No lie there.

Having turned veggie it is really cool to have an i can’t tell the difference burger. Even if i changed course and went…[Read more]

Just had an impossible burger from Costco. Yeah the onions tomato and pickle souped it up. Even so tasted indistinguishable from the real thing. Although maybe it has been so long that i forgot how it should taste.

Any of you had it? If so, opinion?

Unseen, as to your first point i thought you said this is a philosophical discussion. Being natural being tantamount to ethical would negate ethics.

How do i define distraction? The following i got from a dic. def…a thing that prevents someone from giving full attention to something else. I am good with that definition. Were i writing a brief…[Read more]

Enco,

The point of the Powder link is to awaken fat bastards to the reality of the suffering of animals. That bald electric guy used his powers to make the fat bastard feel what the deer was feeling as he lay dying. I agree it is better to eliminate/reduce suffering of the victim but disagree that alone justifies the execution.

I did not…[Read more]

Unseen, i would be happy to participate in a discussion concerning vegetarianism but i have no intention of initiating one.

Meat is indeed a natural source of protein. So are plants. Are you seriously going to argue that being the most natural source of protein is a sufficient basis to justify the slaughter of billions of animals? That alone…[Read more]

Unseen that first link has this quote. Inevitably, those fragile bones break under the enormous stresses put on them. That is not stretching the truth. That is a bald face lie.

One of the links indicates that horses about to be slaughtered know what is coming. I have read same thing many times with respect to livestock. Why do i have this image…[Read more]

Unseen i have acknowledged that there are issues in horse racing. I also acknowledged that the crusader has equitable standing to make his case provided he is vegan/vegetarian which is an assumption i make. I did not say or imply otherwise. We ought not commingle hypocrisy and logical fallacies. So for instance a priest may rail against coveting…[Read more]

Unseen wrote: Yeah, so are pitbulls. But horse racing, like dogfighting, bullfighting, cockfighting, and circuses keeping animals should be illegal.

You need to bone up on horse racing. It’s a brutal way to treat a horse. Horses chasing around in a field for their own pleasure is a whole different thing from forcing them to the edge of their a…[Read more]