Samantha

Unseen wrote:
Free from feeling protected and provided for? I don’t see it.

It’s true that in the classical evolutionary great ape patriarchy model, females are protected and cared for by the alpha male.  But biologically, this is for the purpose of keeping them safe for reproduction.  It comes as part of the package of the classical mod…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
Where, outside academic echo chambers, are women crying out to be free from patriarchy? Free from feeling protected and provided for? I don’t see it.

It’s all over women’s media like women’s magazines.

Your argument reminds me of a book about Islam I read, by a (male) Islamic scholar.  He says that women like staying indoors, an…[Read more]

Gigantopithecus was a much more recent one, that presumably was not part of the lineage that self-domesticated and became egalitarian: not “one of us”.

TheEncogitationer wrote:
Nacholapithicus

Yes, he was very fierce.

Unseen wrote:
I think, as a general rule in nature, animals that work cooperatively in groups are either matriarchies or patriarchies, are they not?

Social animals nearly always live in some kind of dominance hierarchy, it’s true.  Ants and bees I’m not so sure.  They’re a special case of everything, socially.

Why should humans be any d…

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_Robert_ wrote:
You can’t have it both ways.

I can see your point – “double standards” works both ways.

However, there’s no getting away from biology.  All organisms experience a pressure to reproduce.  Bateman’s Principle states that while females’ reproductive success depends on resources, males’ reproductive success depends on access to fem…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
If I were to take the position that “There is no such thing as patriarchy in a democracy” as long as women are free to participate in the process, what could you offer as proof I’m wrong?

I could offer the argument that patriarchy isn’t voted in or out.  It’s a cultural phenomenon.  It has to be defeated by cultural means, not dem…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:
Let’s not call out asshole individuals for their crimes and separate them from females. No, it’s a “cultural” fault. No individual is ever responsible.

You’re right, it’s a good question, what’s the link between culture (when every culture condemns rape) and behaviour?  Rape used to be a crime of theft against the man, in Western…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
“Throughout this protracted and disgraceful assault on American womanhood the clergy baptized every new insult and act of injustice in the name of the Christian religion, and uniformly asked God’s blessing on proceedings that would have put to shame an assembly of Hottentots.”

I think that the Church provides power…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
Simon Paynton wrote: But which ever way you look at it, it’s very common, and much more common for women than for men.

Outside prison.

jakelafort wrote:
Hey Reg how about an illuminating article in Sunday School about rape culture? It is new on me so i withold judgment on whether the left is onto something valid or it is more left BS like Islamophobia.

As I understand it, rape culture is the culture of it being OK to violate women’s rights sexually.

Davis wrote:
Stop enabling rape culture.

Yes, it’s patriarchal and misogynistic.

Unseen wrote:
Her point, since you missed it, is that there are no gold standard statistics and yet these 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 “statistics” are bandied about as if they are true.

It’s hard to be sure of the exact statistics like you say.  The college statistics put it at 10% – 29%.  So there’s a wide range.  But which ever way you look at it, it’s v…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
Instead, tell me how she’s wrong.

She doesn’t actually come up with a figure for lifetime sexual assaults and rapes.  She comes up with a figure for one year, from the crime survey.  This crime is vastly under-reported according to the Department of Justice.

The lifetime rape figures for the US (1 in 6 to 1 in 5) aren’t too dif…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Girls are still in a bad bargain with patriarchy.

I don’t know about this article.  I get the central premise, that women aren’t listened to and have to keep their mouths shut to avoid rocking the boat.  The statistics don’t lie.  That’s a valuable lesson for men, to listen to women more.  But it seems a bit inc…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
You’re arguing that men (individual men) retain their mates via the patriarchy (which you characterize as unconscious) rather than through making themselves more attractive (which would be conscious, presumably). But I don’t think women marry men they don’t find attractive somehow.

What men try and do, and what women want to do, a…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
If the GOP represents patriarchy to a greater extent than the Democratic Party, it’s interesting that white women tend to lean toward voting GOP. (source) I guess you would characterize that as “liking to be repressed.”

Another reason might be the way in which patriarchy gets confused with pair-bonding, since both are general metho…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:
The patriarchy we have, such as it is, is through the assent of the citizenry. Women now have the vote and tend to slightly dominate voting. For starters, there are at last count (2022), there were 7.4 million more women than men registered to vote (source)

But the patriarchy isn’t voted in.  It’s actually a fundamental orientation…[Read more]

Belle Rose wrote:
The grandson ponders this for a moment and then asked, “Grandfather, which wolf will win?”

The old Cherokee smiled and simply said, “The one you feed”.

I think that’s very true.  There’s even a precise definition of light and dark: achieving one’s goals to mutual benefit, or achieving one’s goals at the expense of others[Read more]

Kaufman, Scott Barry; David Bryce Yaden; Elizabeth Hyde; and Eli Tsukayama – “The Light vs. Dark Triad of Personality: Contrasting Two Very Different Profiles of Human Nature”: Frontiers in Psychology, 10:467, 2019

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00467/full

It was 1518 people, not 1800 as I state…[Read more]