Simon Paynton
@simonpaynton
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic I’m talking about Puritans! in the forum Small Talk 4 years, 9 months ago
This is interesting. It reminds me of what I’ve read about the kitting circles. What’s the “moral” of this story? That it’s unhealthy to be feverishly obsessed with “sin”? That human beings are routinely corrupt, especially corrupted by power? I think their problem was they didn’t have secular ethics to remind them what is right and wron…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
It’s interesting you mention boycotting. Here is a 30-minute BBC Radio 4 programme that was on yesterday, that talks about “cancel culture” in a number of historical episodes, including the original Mr Boycott.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
Autumn wrote:
Anecdotes mean littleCancel culture is authoritarian. The Right does it too, along with their delightful practice of doxxing. Extremists are extremists.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
Davis wrote:
Simon, your overgeneralisations are getting bloody tedious.Only if you don’t like the Left being criticised. Don’t cancel me now.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
Simon Paynton wrote:
I’m talking about Puritans, whether religious or political.I don’t include @autumn in that. Far from all woke people are obnoxious.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
I think your use of the word “woke” here is misplaced. You are talking about bullies and their behavior.I’m talking about Puritans, whether religious or political.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
Autumn wrote:
It’s not a woke people problem; it’s a people problem.Yes, but woke people are especially known for toxic authoritarian behaviour. Apart from people hating on their political opponents, it’s the reason why “woke” and “social justice warrior” have become terms of insult. This is how woke people come across to the rest of us:

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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
Autumn wrote:
Are you trying to get me into the pile somehow? Why?A lot of people, including Jordan Peterson, complain about toxic behaviour from woke people, and it seems to be a common problem. I was wondering what your view on this is. The Left is charged with being authoritarian: this seems to be a widespread example of it.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic The American left has been drifting into authoritarianism in the forum Politics 4 years, 9 months ago
@Autumn – it’s true that people can exploit charges of authoritarianism to legitimise their horrible propaganda. But are you denying that the Left has an authoritarian element? How do you account for toxic pile-ons such as has occurred in the knitting and young adult fiction circles? For ex…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 13th February 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoUnseen wrote:
Whenever I hear that smug narcissistic authoritarian troll JP I want to take a nice blackthorn shillelagh to his kidneys.Left wing and woke people accuse him of being alt-right, because he’s not left wing or woke (as in, authoritarian left). He’s a moderate progressive by politics.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 30th January 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoAutumn wrote:
Except the ‘woke authoritarianism’ was MADE UP.Cancel culture. The woke Left has a recent history of authoritarianism. That’s what JP was crusading against. The transgender pronouns issue, ill-judged though it was, was only ever an excuse or a hook to hang the issues on.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 30th January 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoAutumn wrote:
The trigger warning lets them know what’s potentially ahead so they can engage with the material on their own terms or not at all. It is, at its core, about trauma.I know it’s the Daily Mail, which is known for right-wing-serving fabrications. Yet this is touching on a stereotype that woke people have with the rest of us. We sus…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 30th January 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoAutumn wrote:
His lies hurt people.JP should have chosen a different mascot for his crusade against woke authoritarianism, because that’s what it was, and probably still is (although I don’t follow him on the internet now). It was never a crusade against transgender rights, or even the pronouns issue. He/we didn’t understand enough about t…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 30th January 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoUnseen wrote:
Being natural being tantamount to ethical would negate ethics. … Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t get this point. Can anyone explain it to me?I have heard some Muslims say that their God is a pragmatic God, i.e., He just says yes to whatever you were going to do anyway. This is not ethics, it’s just doing whatever we feel like…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 30th January 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoThose things may be true about Jordan Peterson, but I don’t think he’s a scoundrel, because I admire him for sticking his neck out. Even flat-out lying isn’t the worst awful thing in the world. It’s not like he was defaming anyone’s good name, beyond how they had already defamed it themselves, or trying to save his own skin, or for personal g…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 30th January 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoReg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
“For the first time he perceived that if you want to keep a secret you must also hide it from yourself.” George Orwell 1984.Is it really true that undergraduate students have to have trigger warnings for “1984”? They are frightened of what exactly?
Yet it is one of several literary works which have been flag…
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Mein Kampf in the forum Small Talk 4 years, 9 months ago
Davis wrote:
I guess Simon, you won’t bang on a moving bus ever again! I would imagine the bus company didn’t give a toss about your complaint?You’re right, the bus won for sure. The bus company replied and said they would interview the driver, and they said they take this kind of thing very seriously.
Apparently schizophrenics can’t driv…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Mein Kampf in the forum Small Talk 4 years, 9 months ago
Unseen wrote:
There’s got to be a story there. Tell it.There isn’t much of a story. I was standing at the bus stop trying to flag down the bus, but the driver couldn’t be bothered to stop, so I banged on the door and windows and it flipped me into the road, injuring my knee and shoulder and grazing my finger. That’s what I get for being an idi…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School 30th January 2022 in the forum
Sunday School 4 years, 9 months agoSimon Paynton wrote:
I see spirituality as psychological transformation from a worse state to a better state.That’s my definition, which is meaningful. Someone told me about “self-actualisation” which is to attempt to live up to all one’s potentials. That’s a spiritual practice under this definition. However, I agree that generally, the te…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Mein Kampf in the forum Small Talk 4 years, 9 months ago
Lots of people I know right now seem to be injuring themselves, including me. I’ve had a f***ed knee for two weeks, but it’s getting better. I had an argument with a bus.
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