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Sunday School 30th January 2022

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  • #41141

    Simon Paynton
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    The trigger warning lets them know what’s potentially ahead so they can engage with the material on their own terms or not at all. It is, at its core, about trauma.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail, which is known for right-wing-serving fabrications.  Yet this is touching on a stereotype that woke people have with the rest of us.  We suspect that woke people pretend to be frightened when they hear something they disagree with, as a cry-bullying way to shut down debate.

    #41142

    @unseenInteresting, ground meat for you is “processed” (I’ll grant that grinding is a kind of process, but how in the world is artificial meat to be regarded as non-processed food?).

    All food is processed to some extent. But I find burger meat to be overly so. Often it comes from several parts of several different animals and even from different countries. So that is why I don’t eat them and prefer the non-meat alternatives. If you were to buy a piece of good organic steak and then grind it up to make a burger I think you would be making a healthier choice.

    I see not eating meat as a healthier option. I know I am healthier by not eating it and I do not miss it. I am very fit and healthy. I “did my own research” and used myself as a guinea pig (a vegetarian one!). I lost excess weight – 7 lbs but I was never too overweight. I sleep better and train better.

    I get all the protein I need in beans and pulses. My main diet would be Indian food. Then its porridge and fruit and then more fruit with the veg.

    Going to the local butcher and buying a piece of organic steak for lunch is a lot healthier than buying “processed” or “ground” meat in a vacuum packed plastic tray for $3. The former goes through a “track and trace” process, the latter is untraceable because it is processed from many different animals. I have no desire to eat a cheap meat burger flipped by a 17 years old.

    I don’t consider myself a vegetarian. I just eat foods that seldom include meat from captive fed animals. It is more about health for me but I also take animal welfare concerns seriously. (says the farmer that clones frogs with donkeys) 🙂

     

     

     

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    #41144

    Autumn
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    The trigger warning lets them know what’s potentially ahead so they can engage with the material on their own terms or not at all. It is, at its core, about trauma.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail, which is known for right-wing-serving fabrications. Yet this is touching on a stereotype that woke people have with the rest of us. We suspect that woke people pretend to be frightened when they hear something they disagree with, as a cry-bullying way to shut down debate.

    What are you talking about? How did you get from trigger warning to here? A trigger warning doesn’t shut down debate or remove content. It lets people with trauma decide if or how they want to engages with content that may be a trigger for that trauma (specifically, people with PTSD). It doesn’t stop anyone else from reading the content or even discussing it.

    #41145

    Davis
    Moderator

    Simon, if you had a daughter or son who had been recently raped and was in schooling (at any level), you would appreciate it if their teacher or professor took a total of 5-10 seconds out of the class to let any student know what was coming, especially if say, reading a chapter from a book that involved rape would potentially harm their recovery or harm their mental health in general.

    If you had adopted a child from a war torn country who had recently settled into a new school and the topic of torture or massacres would come up, again, I think you would appreciate your child having the “choice” to excuse themselves if the memories were still raw etc.

    A trigger warning is, for the most part, an extremely brief message informing people the topic that is about to come up and that people may excuse themselves if they (and again this could not be a more reasonable request) are unable to deal with it. If some trucker roofied your drink and raped you in the bathroom of the bar, you would probably prefer to avoid the topic of rape for the next little while. Don’t pretend you wouldn’t.

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    #41146

    Autumn
    Participant

    His lies hurt people.

    JP should have chosen a different mascot for his crusade against woke authoritarianism, because that’s what it was,

    Except the ‘woke authoritarianism’ was MADE UP.

    However, it’s disingenuous to say that JP started it.

    I don’t recall saying he started anything other than the “compelled speech” line of criticism against C-16. He capitalized off of it, and people bought it.

    This was, or seemed to be at first glance, an occasion when woke authoritarianism put the toe of its jack boot over an acceptable line. This self-righteous authoritaranism gives wokeness its bad name.  JP has been right to call it out.

    It wasn’t. It really REALLY wasn’t. It was ordinary human rights legislation, and it appeared to be on the surface very ordinary human rights legislation because that’s what it was.

    #41147

    Simon Paynton
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    Except the ‘woke authoritarianism’ was MADE UP.

    Cancel culture.  The woke Left has a recent history of authoritarianism.  That’s what JP was crusading against.  The transgender pronouns issue, ill-judged though it was, was only ever an excuse or a hook to hang the issues on.

    #41148

    TheEncogitationer
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    Dwvis,

    What in the world are you referring to in all this talk about trigger warnings? This whole thread arguably could need a trigger warning.

    Oh, and the freedom of any peaceful person to say ‘no’ to any person, place, thing, idea, or product is always a default position with me.

    #41150

    Autumn
    Participant

    Except the ‘woke authoritarianism’ was MADE UP.

    Cancel culture. The woke Left has a recent history of authoritarianism. That’s what JP was crusading against. The transgender pronouns issue, ill-judged though it was, was only ever an excuse or a hook to hang the issues on.

    Step 1) Misinterpret basic human rights legislation.
    Step 2) Use your misinterpretations as an argument for ‘authoritarianism’.
    Step 3) Repeat the process until it feels real.

    Any and all movements for the advancement of human rights are taken as an assault on the supposed majority. That one group should seek equal rights, redress for harms, or a society that instead of only enforcing rules for the benefit of normalized groups adjusts its status quo that all may benefit is taken as a detraction from the aforementioned normalized groups. And this fiction has been repeated so often it’s taken on a real life of its own.

    #41152

    Autumn
    Participant

    Dwvis, What in the world are you referring to in all this talk about trigger warnings? This whole thread arguably could need a trigger warning.

    Very little in this thread would need a trigger warning if anything at all.

    Oh, and the freedom of any peaceful person to say ‘no’ to any person, place, thing, idea, or product is always a default position with me.

    That’s precisely what trigger warnings are for.

    #41161

    Unseen
    Participant

    @unseen Interesting, ground meat for you is “processed” (I’ll grant that grinding is a kind of process, but how in the world is artificial meat to be regarded as non-processed food?).All food is processed to some extent. But I find burger meat to be overly so. Often it comes from several parts of several different animals and even from different countries. So that is why I don’t eat them and prefer the non-meat alternatives. If you were to buy a piece of good organic steak and then grind it up to make a burger I think you would be making a healthier choice.

    I don’t understand why ground beef from two or more cows is such an issue. Fill me in. Would salad with lettuce from two different lettuce heads drive you up the wall as well?

    I see not eating meat as a healthier option. I know I am healthier by not eating it and I do not miss it. I am very fit and healthy. I “did my own research” and used myself as a guinea pig (a vegetarian one!). I lost excess weight – 7 lbs but I was never too overweight. I sleep better and train better.

    I have no issue with anyone being vegetarian as long as they aren’t all evangelical about it. Selling me your food choices is, to me, little different from regaling me with reasons to worship Odin or Allah.

    I don’t consider myself a vegetarian. I just eat foods that seldom include meat from captive fed animals. It is more about health for me but I also take animal welfare concerns seriously. (says the farmer that clones frogs with donkeys).

    You and I have no argument, just so long as you don’t follow me around trying to convert me. I love animals, too, but in a more complex way than you and Jake.

    #41163

    @unseen – I don’t understand why ground beef from two or more cows is such an issue…

    It is not an issue if all the cattle can be traced back to the farms where they were reared. McDonalds says they use only prime cuts but these cuts can be from 100 cattle from different farms. I will accept that for the moment,

    Other meat processors will have all the remaining flesh ground up. This can contain meat from not just several different herds but also from different nations and all with different slaughter dates. There is very little traceability with ground or minced meat. It is basically a carcass burger. That amount of processing alone should raise obvious questions as to the merits of such “food”.  Even if I ate meat every day, I would not eat such a thing. I would buy a decent cut of organic steak and have it ground by the butcher for me.

    Now I am going to have my gazpacho soup before it goes cold!

    #41165

    Davis
    Moderator

     The woke Left has a recent history of authoritarianism.

    That is such an obnoxious overgeneralisation Simon. Groan

    #41166

    Davis
    Moderator

    Indeed Enco, I had meant to address it to Simon as Simon was mentioning trigger warnings. If you had read the whole thread, you would have seen multiple posts about it. I don’t see how you could have possibly missed it.

    #41171

    Unseen
    Participant

    The woke Left has a recent history of authoritarianism.

    That is such an obnoxious overgeneralisation Simon. Groan

    The left and its cancel-everyone-we-disagree-with approach lately because we know what’s best for everyone (in essence: “we are the authorities”) may be part of what he’s talking about. That sort of authoritarianism.

    I count myself to be a leftist, but leftists should be encouraging people to think for themselves, not “think like us.” Freedom of speech implicitly also means a freedom to listen or hear.

    The radical right wants to propel us tom something like Hitler’s Germany. The radical right wants to bring about something akin to Orwell’s 1984.

    I note that a true American working person’s leftist, the socialist Bernie Sanders, does not engage in cancel culture unless you count asking for boycotts of businesses moving jobs outside the country. He does not recommend violating anyone’s ability to be heard, even if they are in his view wrong.

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