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@Unseen By your logic, we may as well just call everything a “Solar System Object” and be done with it. On the other hand, if you line up all of the original 9 planets and had to pick one that doesn’t fit, I’m fairly sure most people would pick pluto because of it’s weird orbit and inability to clear its orbit of debris. Earth would also be a good…[Read more]

GM, you must be willfully trying to misunderstand, there’s no other explanation.

In all three of your points you refer to gun murders. @unseen, and subsequently @steveinco and I, keep referring to OVERALL murder rates as @unseen did in the original post.

I’ll admit the title of this post is misleading because it says murder-by-gun statistics…[Read more]

Gallup’s Mirror wrote:
The fantasy figures you provided indicate the overall murder rate increased due to “gun control”, which shows a relation between them, not the lack of any relation whatsoever.

The figures, as I took great pains to point out, were simply to illustrate the point. I could just as easily have the overall murder rate decre…[Read more]

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I know the [poisoning the well] fallacy well enough to understand…

No…you’ve gotten this fallacy wrong as well..but in this case completely wrong.

Belle Rose wrote:I think @Unseen it all depends on what part of the country you’re talking about. I’ll tell you right now that there IS a HUGE correlation of gun ownership and murder rate in New Mexico. Without question.

And there’s an even closer correlation in a household where there’s been a gun homicide. I’m talking big picture not local picture.

@Unseen I nodded when I saw this just now…

Then I realized the blue bars are “homicides by firearm” for the countries. In other words this flies in the face of what his study actually claims (as opposed to what he has insisted it proves, instead)… unless I am misunderstanding the definition of “homicide.”

@Unseen

Even aside from the ownership rates (which can be difficult to pin down, as I mentioned quite some time ago) this chart shows the level of gun restrictions doesn’t have much to do with homicide rates either.

In Brazil, it’s generally illegal to carry a gun outside the home (if Wikipedia is to be believed)–so if there’s any correlation…[Read more]

Strega wrote:@Unseen I see there are stats for gun deaths. Is there a breakdown between intentional (murder) and accidental, like a gun backfiring and killing the shooter, or toddler accidents?

I don’t know. My statistics were about homicides and I suspect didn’t include accidents.

@Unseen I see there are stats for gun deaths. Is there a breakdown between intentional (murder) and accidental, like a gun backfiring and killing the shooter, or toddler accidents?

@Unseen. Yes, I’ll get back to you on that, @Umar may have better tools than me 🙂

@Unseen, I’m going to try to move this question over to the AZ Group (first time, thank you for allowing me to experiment on you muahaha)

Strega wrote:@Unseen. Are there comparable statistics available for accidental deaths per capita from gun related incidents?

Sorry. I’m getting old and am still having trouble parsing the question. LOL

So, I guess the answer is “I don’t know” for now.

Strega wrote:I SO did not!!! @Unseen

I misattributed somehow. As moderator, you have my permission to clean things up, if you can.

Unseen wrote:

Strega wrote:
“The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country, whereas the predictive power of the mental illness burden was of borderline significance in a multivariable model. Regardless of exact cause and effect, however, the current study debunks the w…

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@Unseen. Are there comparable statistics available for accidental deaths per capita from gun related incidents?

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There’s no denying knives have an important role to play in self defense. (If I hadn’t realized this, I would not have bothered with that class. Unfortunately, they never offered a follow up class for that one. I still want to get that Chris Reeve knife the instructor recommended someday.) However I tend to think at bad-breath…[Read more]

Strega wrote:@Unseen. My last laptop had a fingerprint scan mechanism which substitutes as a password. I wonder how hard it would be to transpose that mechanism onto a gun trigger. It was really easy to add other people’s fingerprints when there was need, and just as easy to delete them.

I’d be surprised if someone hasn’t already started work o…[Read more]

@Unseen. My last laptop had a fingerprint scan mechanism which substitutes as a password. I wonder how hard it would be to transpose that mechanism onto a gun trigger. It was really easy to add other people’s fingerprints when there was need, and just as easy to delete them.

You could transfer gun ownership really easily with such a mechanism…[Read more]