Godly Being

[JohanParticipant]

You get your human beings. They are born of human beings. They have human parents. And then you get Godly Beings born of Godly Parents. These are two different “species”.

To become a Child of God such a person needs to be born again of Godly Parents. And then such a person is a God too. And it enters another Life. That of God Himself.

The Babies fighting in their various groups and organizations are basically the Babies of God not understanding much. They should have grown up in their Godly Lives but were taken captive by other Babies for their honor and wealth. Just Babies on display. Don’t let them confuse you about God and His Children.

[StregaModerator]

Hi Johan

Babies?  Are you calling adults babies?  I’m somewhat confused as to the point you are making.  Which God is this?  I’ve never read anything about babies capturing babies. Perhaps you are trying to make an analogy?  Perhaps your point is that only a “born again Christian” can be welcomed somewhere. I’m not sure where. Feel free to annotate.

[UnseenParticipant]

Johan wrote:

You get your human beings. They are born of human beings. They have human parents. And then you get Godly Beings born of Godly Parents. These are two different “species”. To become a Child of God such a person needs to be born again of Godly Parents. And then such a person is a God too. And it enters another Life. That of God Himself. The Babies fighting in their various groups and organizations are basically the Babies of God not understanding much. They should have grown up in their Godly Lives but were taken captive by other Babies for their honor and wealth. Just Babies on display. Don’t let them confuse you about God and His Children.

I’m seeing a dogma standing in need of proof.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

Almost a week later, does what you posted still seem to make sense to you? (I hope not!)

[JohanParticipant]

Unseen wrote:

Johan wrote:

You get your human beings. They are born of human beings. They have human parents. And then you get Godly Beings born of Godly Parents. These are two different “species”. To become a Child of God such a person needs to be born again of Godly Parents. And then such a person is a God too. And it enters another Life. That of God Himself. The Babies fighting in their various groups and organizations are basically the Babies of God not understanding much. They should have grown up in their Godly Lives but were taken captive by other Babies for their honor and wealth. Just Babies on display. Don’t let them confuse you about God and His Children.

I’m seeing a dogma standing in need of proof.

No problem. Here it is.

1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

[JohanParticipant]

Strega wrote:

Hi Johan

Babies? Are you calling adults babies? I’m somewhat confused as to the point you are making. Which God is this? I’ve never read anything about babies capturing babies. Perhaps you are trying to make an analogy? Perhaps your point is that only a “born again Christian” can be welcomed somewhere. I’m not sure where. Feel free to annotate.

No. Human adults are not babies. They are adults. But when they decide to be Godly Beings and not human beings anymore they need to be born again from their Godly Parents. And enters God’s Life as God Babies. Not knowing much and not being much. Having to grow up.

[JohanParticipant]

PopeBeanie wrote:

Almost a week later, does what you posted still seem to make sense to you? (I hope not!)

My mistake. I have been busy with other things. But luckily you are still there and you will be notified.

And I have good news for you. This can not ever make sense. It is God’s stuff. It is Revealed to you. But it does exist.

I have a Life of Existence in God’s stuff.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Johan wrote:

6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

That right there sounds like the biological pressure to thrive.

[DavisModerator]

Johan, quoting the bible doesn’t prove anything…any more than quoting the little mermaid. The particular book was written by a guy travelling around the Mediterranean writing letters trying to convert people to a religion that had just been invented. Nothing in the book is corroborated by any  other independent evidence. The only thing that gives it authority is a council of believers who got together and decided that they would include it in a canon of literature they considered holy. We are not interested in dogmatic truth just as you wouldn’t consider some random quote from the Quran or the Baghavad Gita as evidence for anything unless it was independently corroborated with other evidence or it by coincidence happened to match something you already believed.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Ungodly Being:

I have fed you with blood, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

My friend.—Welcome to the Carpathians. I am anxiously expecting you. Sleep well tonight. At three tomorrow the diligence will start for Bukovina; a place on it is kept for you. At the Borgo Pass my carriage will await you and will bring you to me. I trust that your journey from London has been a happy one, and that you will enjoy your stay in my beautiful land.—Your friend, Dracula.’

Dracula, Chapter 1 page 6. We know it  is real because it is signed by Him and he has no stake in the matter.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Davis wrote:

quoting the bible doesn’t prove anything…any more than quoting the little mermaid.

It’s true metaphorically.  They could have stated it in its factual form, but when it was written, there was no theory of evolution.  Also, nobody would understand “biological pressure to thrive”, apparently.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Simon are you disputing the point made by Davis-snyoptically stated that a text can not authenticate itself? Are you asserting that the bible is metaphorically true. What does that even mean? It is a text with sufficient ambiguity to imagine a metaphor? If it is a text inspired by god then why does it matter that they lacked a theory of evolution? If the text had a theory of evolution or something that contemporaries would not know for centuries it would make us wonder. Instead it is the primitive mores of the time. How does biological pressure to thrive relate to any of this?

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

The Bible does not mention the Theory of Evolution because the humans that wrote it had no concept of it.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

biological pressure to thrive

OK, so they’re not exactly the same thing, but they are closely related.  The first is about the biological pressure for a seed to grow to adulthood.  The second is the biological pressure to thrive, survive and reproduce.  What is the currency of love?  Straightforward benefit or harm, or thriving/withering.  What does the Bible say?  God is love.

I agree with @davis that a book cannot validate itself.  It has to be validated with outside sources – just like the Buddhist texts.

I am asserting that some parts of the Bible are metaphorical, and out of those, some parts are metaphorically true.  Other parts are supposed to be a true record of events.  Some of these ring true in my opinion.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Simon that is tortured analysis to produce a result consistent with your biases. It reminds me of the theist (is it Michael?) who comes off as insane in touting prophecy. Randomly examine some passages in literature and you can do the same thing-make the same claims. He does the same thing with events that appear to him consistent with biblical prophecy.

The idea that word of god text is metaphorical is absurd. Think how dictators operate. Do they pussy foot around and leave their commands to chance interpretation? Instructions from creator of the universe that are metaphorical? That level of incompetence is impossible to square with a creator of the cosmos.

God is love? You know that is nonsense. We all do. The bible is bloody and violent.

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