Sunni Islam and Shia Islam Together Again…And Against Us!

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  • #50778

    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    Dr. Sowell, of course, acknowledged that Anti-Jewish hatred comes from several sources. However, being an Economist, a Sociologist, an Historian, and just all-around Intellectual Bad Muthah… (Shut your mouth!) economics and secular culture were the foci of his explanation.

    Indeed, from the religious end, Jews are hated by Christians for being collectively responsible for killing Christ, even though there are two contrary accounts of the Death of Christ, one with the Sanhedrin one with the Romans.

    (And if Jesus Christ was supposed to die for the sins of the world, wasn’t whoever killed him just part of the plan? Shouldn’t Christians be patting the killers on the back and saying: “Good show! The crown of thorns and the spear in the side were just priceless! šŸ˜‰)

    And though Islam claims that Jesus wasn’t crucified but went to Heaven without dying, Muslims still hate the Jews for rejecting Muhammad (*PBUH!* Phooey!) as the Last and Greatest Prophet of Allah.

    A little problem with Jordan taking the West Bank: Jordan doesn’t want them. A Palestinian terrorist assassinated their King Abdullah I in 1951 and in 1970-71 during the Black September Jordanian Civil War, the PLO tried to overthrow King Hussein.

    Egypt also doesn’t like Hamas digging tunnels on their land and ruining Egypt’s gravy train with the U.S.

    Between these two nations and no other Arab or Muslim nation wanting them, Palestinians have been screwed over by their self-appointed “leaders.”

    And, again, don’t knock the free market of ideas. If a free market of ideas existed in the Middle East, there would be a lot more Arabs like Mosab Hassan Yousef and a whole lot more Ex-Muslims to make the place more sane and peaceful.

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    #50780

    Unseen
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    Why is the U.S. so supportive of Israel no matter how outrageous, risky, reckless, and dangerous their actions?

    #50781

    jakelafort
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    #50782

    jakelafort
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    Unseen, i aine openin Pandora’s box. But your last line is particularly amusing.

    I donā€™t know how you can continue to be so blind to the fact that Israel seems to exist to persecute Palestinians.

    North Korea, Saudi. Countries like that pale in comparison, ya know?

    #50783

    jakelafort
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    Enco, i have a memory of reading about Palestinians slaughtered in Jordan and a few other middle eastern countries. I guess that may explain in part what happened in Jordan.

    I have been saying all along proof is in the pudding. The other Arab countries either do not like or do not care for the Palestinians. The reaction from these countries and radiating out into the world to this war and to Jews and Israel in general has nothing whatsoever to do with concern for Palestinians or any provocations from Israel. Those are only a pretext to hate Israel, and Jews.

    The free market of ideas would help in middle east to overcome to some degree the institutionalized antisemitism and also the vice grip Islam has on its people. It is just a highly highly inefficient market.

    #50784

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    If the “replacement rate” of Arab Palestinians is greater than the “replacement rate” of Jews, then how is Israel engaged in genocide?

    And if Arab people are treated as equal citizens in Israel–as the Arabs who stayed in Israel in 1948 and their descendents are–then how is Israel engaged in Apartheid?

    And if a sizable portion of Israelis hail from The Middle East, North Africa, Ethiopia, and Southeast Asia (yes, Israel took in “boat people” in the aftermath of the Vietnam War and Pol Pot’s Killing Fields,) then how is Israel a Western Colonialist Imperialist Outpost?

    And what kind of Western Colonialist Imperialist Outpost–especially a nuke-armed Outpost–willfully gives up the Sinai Peninsula and hasn’t made any progress in seizing more land since 1967?

    “IT JUST DON’T ADD UP!!!”

    #50785

    _Robert_
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    I never understood why Christians would hate Jews for turning on poor Jeeebus, since a human sacrifice was required to save us from god and the pit of fire. I have actually heard dumbasses actually repeat that incredibly idiotic idea.

    I think most of the hatred is just because wherever they were, the Jews were a minority, didn’t really integrate for religious and cultural reasons and were just different. Plus, Christians and Muslims consider themselves to be more ethical for some reason.

    #50789

    jakelafort
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    Robert writes”

    I think most of the hatred is just because wherever they were, the Jews were a minority, didnā€™t really integrate for religious and cultural reasons and were just different. Plus, Christians and Muslims consider themselves to be more ethical for some reason.

    I think that is part of it. Perhaps for a parallel to Jews see Gypsies. Also a people that had a diaspora probably out of India and went all over Europe and later USA and Canada. Not sure about Asia. Gypsies or Roma were known to have their own particular culture and be ‘insular’ like Jews. Loads and loads of hate for Gypsies who also had fun with the Nazis. To my knowledge there is still a great deal of hatred and stupid stereotypes. I GOT GYPED! DONT LET EM GYP YA OR JEW YA DOWN!

    As to Jews not integrating it is definitely not true any longer. DNA proves it perhaps never was. In Spain it was the choice between convert or take your chances with the Inquisition. Many Jews converted and perhaps got it on with Christians and Muslims before being expelled in 1492…IDK.

    #50791

    _Robert_
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    That DNA is after thousands of years of Jewish Diaspora. In human life-span terms the integration is hard to notice. However, many Jews certainly maintained much of the heritage even after millennia of dispersal. Kind of amazing really. You’d be hard pressed to find a Canaanite or a Philistine or even an Imperial Roman these days.

    #50793

    jakelafort
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    Yeah the ones who call themselves Greek today probably have very little connection to Greeks of antiquity who were in Athens or other city states.

    #50798

    jakelafort
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    Now that i think about it…got an uncle whose Dad was from Sicily and clung to the goomba mafia cultural nonsense. Took DNA test and discovered he was like 6 percent Jewish and the rest from Greece.

    I took a DNA test recently, not for my benefit but a relative who is reconstructing family tree. From my dad 50 percent Jewish. Not an iota of anything else. From my mom whose parents were supposed to be Irish on one side and French on other i got nada from france and 34 percent from Scotland/Ireland.

    It would be better if nobody knew or cared about such things. Sam Harris said something like…my Jewish heritage is the least interesting thing about me.

    #50799

    Unseen
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    If the ā€œreplacement rateā€ of Arab Palestinians is greater than the ā€œreplacement rateā€ of Jews, then how is Israel engaged in genocide?

    Where is your logic? European Jews probably had a higher birthrate than the Germans, but even if they were a small minority with a lower birthrate, it’s the intent of eliminating them based on their ethnicity that’s genocide. Birthrate is neither here nor there, is it? Anyway, I’m not entirely sure I ever used the term “genocide,” though it could easily have been in a quote or video.

    And if Arab people are treated as equal citizens in Israelā€“as the Arabs who stayed in Israel in 1948 and their descendents areā€“then how is Israel engaged inĀ Apartheid?

    Well, gee, I wonder if it’s because of…

    Separate Legal Systems: Critics argue that Israel maintains two separate legal systems in the occupied territories ā€“ one for Israeli settlers and another for Palestinians. They claim that Israeli settlers enjoy greater legal rights and protections compared to Palestinians, and this differential treatment is a form of racial discrimination.

    Movement Restrictions: Israel has implemented various restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the occupied territories. Critics argue that these restrictions, including checkpoints, the separation barrier, and permit systems, are used to control and limit the movement of Palestinians in a way that is not applied to Israeli settlers. This, they claim, is a form of apartheid.

    Land Policies: Critics point to Israeli policies in the West Bank, such as the construction of settlements and the confiscation of Palestinian land, as evidence of apartheid-like practices. They argue that these policies favor Israeli settlers while disadvantaging Palestinians.

    Gaza Blockade: The blockade of the Gaza Strip is often cited as evidence of apartheid. Critics argue that the severe restrictions on the movement of goods and people in and out of Gaza, imposed by Israel and Egypt, constitute a form of collective punishment that affects the Palestinian population as a whole.

    Treatment of Palestinian Citizens of Israel: Some critics argue that even within Israel, Arab citizens face systemic discrimination in areas such as land ownership, housing, and employment. They claim that this unequal treatment amounts to a form of apartheid.

    Security Wall: The construction of the Israeli West Bank barrier, which is a physical barrier separating Israel from the West Bank, is seen as a symbol of separation and division. Critics argue that it is used to establish de facto borders that exclude Palestinian communities, leading to the isolation and fragmentation of Palestinian territories.

    Unequal Access to Resources: Critics argue that Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have limited access to vital resources such as water, and that this resource allocation is discriminatory and reminiscent of apartheid practices.

    And if a sizable portion of Israelis hail from The Middle East, North Africa, Ethiopia, and Southeast Asia (yes, Israel took in ā€œboat peopleā€ in the aftermath of the Vietnam War and Pol Potā€™s Killing Fields,) then how is Israel a Western Colonialist Imperialist Outpost?

    The original impetus for creating Israel came out of the death camps and was primarily targeted at protecting European Jews, though the way the Israeli laws are written, any Jew from anywhere is eligible to become an Israeli.

    Today’s Israel is basically an arm of U.S. foreign and military policy as Chomsky and Yanoufakis point out. The relationship is so close, however, that Israel is often the tail that wags the dog. And a lot of that is due to evangelical Christian end times mythology.

    And what kind of Western Colonialist Imperialist Outpostā€“especially a nuke-armed Outpostā€“willfully gives up the Sinai Peninsula and hasnā€™t made any progress in seizing more land since 1967?

    I wonder if they might end up owning Gaza after this? We’ll just have to wait and see, I guess.

     

     

    #50808

    TheEncogitationer
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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    This does not stop with Gaza and The West Bank, but is a front in a larger struggle, one that is equally against us, from a Hamas Co-founder’s own words:

    #50809

    Unseen
    Participant

    @ Enco

    So, war crimes are called for.

    #50810

    Unseen
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    Government expert resigns over Biden Admin’s decision to help Israel kill Gaza civilians rather than push for a ceasefire.

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